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[Kman101]

And FYI, I was waiting at the Smokehouse at Epcot for a moonshine (it was a very tasty but expensive yet small beverage) and a slider and met a very friendly slightly drunk man from New York. But I guess it's just one big drunkyfest because of that encounter? And guess who he ended up going back to? His mother.

I appreciate the Spirit's info, but a lot of people piggyback off of his negativity (no, it's not always negative and I know he cares) and his sayings. It's been a trend since he first got here.

 

[jakeman]

So we're all in the parks from open to close to monitor behavior 24/7? Come on ... it's vastly overblown how unruly it can be. But it's also subjective. I could never see this behavior yet that is what someone sees every time. It's a bit more in the middle. We know they rely on booze sales but they've advertised drinking around the world for decades now. It's not one giant frat party all the time which is what's implied.

Obviously not, only got to stake it out from 11 a.m.-9 p.m. in two pavilions during Food and Wine.

I'm just glad our intrepid, trustworthy, and infinitely knowledgeable @ford91exploder was able to use his vast engineering, boating, tractoring, ferret husbandry experience to be able to isolate down to the time, date, and location as well as the demographic make up of the troublemakers.

LOL... Seems to be a little worse during F&W but I have never noticed it to be the problem people are always breathlessly reporting on here.
and Disney staff are always around if things get out of hand.I think the "Drunkytown" is WAY over stated.

It's some where in the middle. It can get a bit bad, I've seen it, but it is also more often than not perfectly fine.

And FYI, I was waiting at the Smokehouse at Epcot for a moonshine (it was a very tasty but expensive yet small beverage) and a slider and met a very friendly slightly drunk man from New York. But I guess it's just one big drunkyfest because of that encounter? And guess who he ended up going back to? His mother.

Must have been drunk off of zebra domes.

 

[Kman101]

Of course it *can* get bad. I'm not arguing it doesn't. But it's overblown. I did see a rowdy crowd at the Rose and Crown, so that's true, lol, but if no one is hurting anyone, why does it matter?

I didn't see mass crowds of drunk people crowding around the Thirsty River Bar at Animal Kingdom, etc. People weren't stumbling out of Be Our Guest because they can have wine with their meal.

 

[Bocabear]

Of course it *can* get bad. I'm not arguing it doesn't. But it's overblown. I did see a rowdy crowd at the Rose and Crown, so that's true, lol, but if no one is hurting anyone, why does it matter?

I didn't see mass crowds of drunk people crowding around the Thirsty River Bar at Animal Kingdom, etc. People weren't stumbling out of Be Our Guest because they can have wine with their meal.

There is always a rowdy crowd at the Rose and Crown...that is kind of the charm of the place... but I have never seen it bad... Unless maybe I was too drunk to notice...lol

 

[Kman101]

There is always a rowdy crowd at the Rose and Crown...that is kind of the charm of the place... but I have never seen it bad... Unless maybe I was too drunk to notice...lol

It's very much a part of the charm. LOL at too drunk to notice!

 

[jakeman]

Of course it *can* get bad. I'm not arguing it doesn't. But it's overblown. I did see a rowdy crowd at the Rose and Crown, so that's true, lol, but if no one is hurting anyone, why does it matter?

Oh, I'm agreeing with you 100%.

No argument from me. "Drunkytown" is just another in a long list of sophmoric talking points. It's up there with such idiocy as Walmarting, greet and grope, tragic band, and the variety of inane, middle school nicknames for Disney executives.

 

[Bocabear]

It's very much a part of the charm. LOL at too drunk to notice!

well....few can have a margarita and a flight of tequila at La Cava Del Tequila, and not get a little toasted... Just sayin'

 

[nor'easter]

Clearly.

Just like the parks are dirty. Nope. I never saw an overflowing trashcan. I saw cast members constantly with brooms and two or three janitorial castmembers practically tripping over each other.

I do admit the bathrooms could be better attended but you'd have to literally position someone inside each of the restrooms at all times. I know some will claim it was spotless at all times, every second of every day in 1981 but things happen. I mean, sorry, but you may see popcorn on the ground, a guidemap, a left behind drink in the queue, but that's not a sign of an overall problem at the resort.

The parks may not be dirty, but I don't think there is any question that cleanliness standards have slipped, and sometimes significantly. If anyone remembers Disney World from the 80s and early 90s, you just did not see popcorn on the ground, or guidemaps, or full trash cans. Bathrooms were amazingly clean. You would read in magazines about the incredible cleanliness and efficiency of Disney "sweepers". There were many more of them....and they were everywhere. You did not see paper cups or other litter in the queues, or stuffed into crevices ...a common occurrence now. Litter cleanup is certainly better than what you would see in a mall or a shopping street, or maybe even other parks, but there is simply no comparison with the standards they had earlier.

 

[Kman101]

Oh, I'm agreeing with you 100%.

No argument from me. "Drunkytown" is just another in a long list of sophmoric talking points. It's up there with such idiocy as Walmarting, greet and grope, tragic band, and the variety of inane, middle school nicknames for Disney executives.

And the slamming of fanbois ... which, sorry to break it to all of you, but we are. We post on a Disney message board and debate inane things. YOU ARE ONE, LOL

 

[Kman101]

well....few can have a margarita and a flight of tequila at La Cava Del Tequila, and not get a little toasted... Just sayin'

And I hate those people LOL

 

[Bocabear]

Me too!

 

[Kman101]

The parks may not be dirty, but I don't think there is any question that cleanliness standards have slipped, and sometimes significantly. If anyone remembers Disney World from the 80s and early 90s, you just did not see popcorn on the ground, or guidemaps, or full trash cans. Bathrooms were amazingly clean. You would read in magazines about the incredible cleanliness and efficiency of Disney "sweepers". There were many more of them....and they were everywhere. You did not see paper cups or other litter in the queues, or stuffed into crevices ...a common occurrence now. Litter cleanup is certainly better than what you would see in a mall or a shopping street, or maybe even other parks, but there is simply no comparison with the standards they had earlier.

I saw plenty of sweepers this week

Dirt happens. Trash happens. Some weeks and days are worse than others. I think the complaining about it is another thing overblown, not that it doesn't exist.

I have no doubt standards have slipped, that much IS obvious, but to argue that there shouldn't be a single piece of litter ever? (Not saying you, but some imply that was the case). That to me is a bit much for even old Disney standards, sorry if some don't agree, it's just my opinion. My point was that it's overblown.

I also found the monorails to be the cleanest I've seen in a long time. And I actually felt air in the cabins.

 

[MMFanCipher]

Casper Gutman said: ↑
To be fair, Body Wars was kinda cheesy from the day it opened. Cranium Command was awesome, though.

It still worked. The whole pavilion did ... and to have three major attractions, two minors, a QSR location and a small shop ... it was exactly what WDI did best in building that park. You literally could have spent four hours in the building if you wanted. Today, it's the "FIVE MINUTES?!??! NOO!!!! It has to be under three." deal ...

Sorry, I loved Cranium Command, Body Wars and I even liked the making of me. My wife and I really enjoyed this pavilion!

 

[Mike S]

And the slamming of fanbois ... which, sorry to break it to all of you, but we are. We post on a Disney message board and debate inane things. YOU ARE ONE, LOL

No, we're fans.

Fanbois are unable to criticize a single thing about their favorite thing and everything is always sunshine and rainbows.

 

[jakeman]

No, we're fans.

Fanbois are unable to criticize a single thing about their favorite thing and everything is always sunshine and rainbows.

The term fanbois is nothing more than a playground taunt that lowers the level of discourse by pigeonholing people you disagree with.

If conversation can't be maintained without stereotyping disguised as convoluted name calling then perhaps the conversation is best not had (words that I myself could do better at following at times).

 

[Kman101]

No, we're fans.

Fanbois are unable to criticize a single thing about their favorite thing and everything is always sunshine and rainbows.

Well, that's true. I used it wrong. But I never defined it that way. There is definitely a special kind of fan out there. Oh well. That point's a bit of a wash I suppose. I just don't think the slamming is necessary but it's his thread

 

[Kman101]

The term fanbois is nothing more than a playground taunt that lowers the level of discourse by pigeonholing people you disagree with.

If conversation can't be maintained without stereotyping disguised as convoluted name calling then perhaps the conversation is best not had (words that I myself could do better at following at times).

This. Thank you for explaining it better than I did. I don't know why it bothers him so much if someone from Podunk Iowa wants to be first in line at the opening of a parking garage. To each their own in life.

EDIT:
He is right in that Disney should award their most loyal customers instead of looking down upon them. They do often favor the "lifestylers". For example, I'm a nobody and have no reason to post on Twitter, but I've tried to get the WDWToday twitter attention numerous times (Hi! I know you read this site!) but the second Blog Mickey (Hi mikeh!) posts they're all over it.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

The parks may not be dirty, but I don't think there is any question that cleanliness standards have slipped, and sometimes significantly. If anyone remembers Disney World from the 80s and early 90s, you just did not see popcorn on the ground, or guidemaps, or full trash cans. Bathrooms were amazingly clean. You would read in magazines about the incredible cleanliness and efficiency of Disney "sweepers". There were many more of them....and they were everywhere. You did not see paper cups or other litter in the queues, or stuffed into crevices ...a common occurrence now. Litter cleanup is certainly better than what you would see in a mall or a shopping street, or maybe even other parks, but there is simply no comparison with the standards they had earlier.

Nostalgia is a dirty liar that insists things were better than they seemed.

Sorry, but having been going to WDW since 1978 as an adult, I can state that it was never as good as people remember. Especially those that went as kids in the 70's when everything was new and shiny to them. Was it kept clean? Yes. Is it kept clean now? Yes.

We were there just last week and the week before and saw not one single bathroom that wasn't clean, and not one overflowing trashcan. Was there some litter on the ground? Well, yes, and if it wasn't wet, we would pick it up, even when a CM was walking over to do it. People seem to think that a CM magically appeared in a few seconds if someone made a mess on the ground back then, and sorry, but that simply isn't true.

 

[Kman101]

Nostalgia is a dirty liar that insists things were better than they seemed.

Sorry, but having been going to WDW since 1978 as an adult, I can state that it was never as good as people remember. Especially those that went as kids in the 70's when everything was new and shiny to them. Was it kept clean? Yes. Is it kept clean now? Yes.

We were there just last week and the week before and saw not one single bathroom that wasn't clean, and not one overflowing trashcan. Was there some litter on the ground? Well, yes, and if it wasn't wet, we would pick it up, even when a CM was walking over to do it. People seem to think that a CM magically appeared in a few seconds if someone made a mess on the ground back then, and sorry, but that simply isn't true.

Thank you! Having just been there, with school groups everywhere it was remarkably kept up with.

 

[jakeman]

This. Thank you for explaining it better than I did. I don't know why it bothers him so much if someone from Podunk Iowa wants to be first in line at the opening of a parking garage. To each their own in life.

EDIT:
He is right in that Disney should award their most loyal customers instead of looking down upon them. They do often favor the "lifestylers". For example, I'm a nobody and have no reason to post on Twitter, but I've tried to get the WDWToday twitter attention numerous times (Hi! I know you read this site!) but the second Blog Mickey (Hi mikeh!) posts they're all over it.

Lifestylers provide positive reviews with little effort. Others insult them at every opportunity.

Who would you rather have at your house?

EDIT: It's hard to disagree with the concept of a loyalty program but this email non-fiasco seems like the time Coreless (is that how you spell it?) didn't get invited to MNSSHP.