4 Walt Disney World Resorts to accept dogs

[Incomudro]

You have more faith than I do, friend.

Do we need to revisit the GAC hooplah? Sure, you, have the worst - the ones who hired the people with downs syndrome, but there was so much casual abuse going on which is why people complained about it so much. If it had just been truly disabled people, no one would have ever noticed it. People catch on quick - especially with Disney because they are so easy to scam to get special benefits.

If you don't think these dog crazy people have this down to an sick art form, you haven't known many. There is a growing number of them that feel entitled to bring their little family member with them wherever they go. And they aren't going to think about "incidents" - not my precious!

Here are your answers:

1) Yes
2) He senses health problems

Done. And since you can't ask anything about the persons health problem, there you go. That's a legit reason to have one (they sense seizures, etc.) - and one among many that are very, very easy to fake because you don't have to do anything to demonstrate it because clearly you couldn't, even if they asked.

You really don't think people are going to do this to save $350 a week? Come on, think about it, man. It's become a joke among people "It's my service animal, wink wink" - it's widely accepted in a lot of circles, because "they are family members!" People are scum out there, and worse, it's becoming socially acceptable. Hell, as much as I love her, even Carrie Fisher used to say it with a "wink wink" and admit that Gary really wasn't a service animal, she just wanted to travel with him.

I couldn't possibly love this post, or your previous one more.
Nor could I have said it better.
People suck, that's the problem.
That's why we have rules and laws, and that's why in the saner days of 'yore - dogs weren't allowed in hotels - especially Disney.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I've kinda been sidetracked by the miniature horse thing. Not sure about my reaction if I left my room in the morning and the guy in the room next to me suddenly walked out with baby Seabiscuit.

A Seabiscuit sized horse, a miniature pony, and a baby miniature pony...

Unfortunately, a banana was not available.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

You're missing the point. They don't have liability insurance. There are no premiums so no premiums to go up.

Guess this employee is innocent then. You may want to rethink your post.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...ce-fraud-20121011_1_claims-authorities-guests

 

[AEfx]

In my opinion there is a big difference between lying that your dog is trained to sense health problems and lying that they are there for emotional support. I think if they allowed emotional support animals under the umbrella of service animals it would be a much bigger problem.

Disney wouldn’t need this new policy for people to commit fraud and say their dog is a service dog when they are not. Has that been a problem historically at WDW? I can’t remember ever seeing a dog at WDW on my trips in the parks or at a hotel.

Well, first, we have to point out that there are legitimate emotional support animals for people that have a clinical diagnosis. That said, this why you only really hear "emotional support" in casual conversation, or that hand-picked question for the Disney (blech) Moms. Because of policies like this, most of the fakers have caught on. It only takes being denied once to learn what to say.

Again, I think you have too much faith in people. People that claim "emotional support" animals can easily "justify" the "he senses health problems". Remember, they can't ask you to specify your health problem! It's a really small step if you are already claiming "emotional support" so you can break the rules to say "he senses health problems" because, they feel entitled and can internally justify it with "well, my emotions are my health problem, it's none of their business" or "little Bobby and Suzie are so much happier when he is around". It's just so easy...

As to your second point, I have to go back to the GAC.

Yes, we all have stories of that cousin we had, or that family we saw, that would rent a wheel chair back in the day and people would take turns "being the disabled one", or the teenager who would wear a fake cast, etc. But what happened with the GAC - and that magic, wonderful, yet terrifying invention called the Internet - word spread quickly, you could spend ten minutes on the internet and figure it all out and how to do it.

This announcement I'm sure is already spreading like wildfire - and if you don't think that now that this is allowed officially, people are going to take advantage of it - I have to return to the fact you have way more faith in humanity than I do. Now that dogs are allowed for everyone at those resorts, the idea is now in the heads of "casuals" who didin't bring them before, but now will. Now there is a specific system, people are going to feel a whole lot less inhibited - "well, they allow any dogs anyway...so what's the harm - plus it's going to save us $350 so we can off-set that (insert upcharge event) we wanted to go to!"

I'll be waiting for some CM to leak some numbers, like they did with the GAC - my guess is, more people are going to suddenly be coming with "service animals" than are paying the $50/day.

 

[peter11435]

Guess this employee is innocent then. You may want to rethink your post.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...ce-fraud-20121011_1_claims-authorities-guests

You may want to rethink your post because you obviously misunderstood the article you linked to.

The key point being the employee in question worked for TWDC not a third party insurance provider. He as an employee of TWDC authorized payments of false claims with the companies own money. It's called self insurance.

Do you really think a third party insurance provider would allow an employee of the policy holder to investigate incidents and authorize payments "without supervisory approval?"

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Kids don't leave dander behind that some folks are allergic to. Nor do they poop outside or pee on bushes. Kids will enjoy a Disney vacation a dog would be just as happy at home with a sitter or whatever.

Actually, no, many dogs will not. Dogs experience anxiety and loneliness and stress because they think they’ve been abandoned. You can reason with a child and explain things to them, or at least try to. Dogs don’t understand what’s happening to them.

With or without pet friendly rooms, there is always a chance of having a bad experience. No hotel can prevent that - ever.

When that happens, life is not over, contact your friendly front desk and they will be more than happy to assist you.

It should not be hard, Yet for Disney it will be impossible because the hotels you mention have a reputation for quality. Disney has a reputation for cost and corner cutting.

Yes, that reputation is held by everyone going by the moniker of ford91exploder.

 

[AndyS2992]

It was a joke, hence the wink...and the first sentence of the post.


What did you specifically complain about?
Asking to move your current reservation to a resort that doesn't accept dogs? Or just to make sure that you aren't on a "dog Floor"

I just gave my two cents on the policy. We usually stay at Art of Animation but will now stay at Pop instead next time, even if it was a ‘No dog’ room, I just don’t want to be around them.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

You may want to rethink your post because you obviously misunderstood the article you linked to.

The key point being the employee in question worked for TWDC not a third party insurance provider. He as an employee of TWDC authorized payments of false claims with the companies own money. It's called self insurance.

Dude...you keep skirting the issues. First you say Disney has NO liability insurance and then when faced with proof that they do...you try and pivot and say that they are self insured. Disney HAS LIABILITY INSURANCE. Just accept it and move on. Doesn't matter who is underwriting it.

 

[AEfx]

I couldn't possibly love this post, or your previous one more.
Nor could I have said it better.
People suck, that's the problem.
That's why we have rules and laws, and that's why in the saner days of 'yore - dogs weren't allowed in hotels - especially Disney.

LOL, thanks.

I'm sure people are thinking I'm incredibly "anti-dog" - the truth is, no, I don't really care for them. I'm a cat person. But I can appreciate a well-behaved dog like anyone else. As long as they aren't jumping on me or drooling on me, I'm cool. And most dog owners are good, responsible people.

But as I said, I have a disabled person in my family (CP) and the amount of abuse we see is...astounding. When we are waiting in a special line patiently, because we don't mind waiting our turn, we just appreciate that my niece can experience things at all - and some scooter comes flying in, accompanied by a half-dozen people, loudly demanding immediate service, person jumps up, entire family loads on, and someone else drives the scooter out...you get a sick sense - you can't see it from a mile away a lot of the time.

While many people wouldn't have even considered bringing their dog, there are now swaths of people thinking ALL about it. And then they are looking at that fee. For some of them, it's only a short leap to..."well, he is a support to our family, right?"

 

[peter11435]

Dude...you keep skirting the issues. First you say Disney has NO liability insurance and then when faced with proof that they do...you try and pivot and say that they are self insured. Disney HAS LIABILITY INSURANCE. Just accept it and move on.

I'm not skirting anything. You're just not understanding. Clearly you don't understand what self insured means. You didn't provide proof that they have liability insurance you provided proof that they can process liability claims, very different. Disney has no liability insurance. Meaning they are not paying premiums to any insurance company to provide liability coverage. They have their own in house departments that handle claims and they process those claims and make payments on their own. Funds are retained for this process, premiums are not paid. They assume the risk not an insurance company.

 

[AEfx]

Dude...you keep skirting the issues. First you say Disney has NO liability insurance and then when faced with proof that they do...you try and pivot and say that they are self insured. Disney HAS LIABILITY INSURANCE. Just accept it and move on.

Hahahahahaha!

That's the silliest thing I have heard in my life.

Of course Disney has liability insurance...and they spend many millions of dollars a year in premiums.

Every business in America that is open to the public has it, unless they are totally incompetent. All it takes is one idiot to slip in your establishment to bankrupt a business. And as we know, Disney gets sued all the time (and we only talk about the big cases here, most never get press).

I see some (unfortunately increasing) bat crap crazy stuff posted in this forum...but that's just...embarrassing that someone would have such a notion.

 

[JenniferS]

So, the new policy kicks in tomorrow, with approx. 48 hours lead time ....

1) How quickly to you expect dogs to start showing up?

2) How long before we start hearing stories - both good and bad?

 

[peter11435]

Hahahahahaha!

That's the silliest thing I have heard in my life.

Of course Disney has liability insurance...and they spend many millions of dollars a year in premiums.

Every business in America that is open to the public has it, unless they are totally incompetent. All it takes is one idiot to slip in your establishment to bankrupt a business. And as we know, Disney gets sued all the time (and we only talk about the big cases here, most never get press).

I see some (unfortunately increasing) bat crap crazy stuff posted in this forum...but that's just...embarrassing that someone would have such a notion.

You can believe what ever you want but that doesn't make you right.

Think about it.. insurance companies exist to make a profit. They wouldn't insure Disney if the premiums were not greater than the claims, otherwise the insurance company would go bankrupt. So why would Disney pay more in premiums than they would in claims... the answer is they wouldn't, and they don't.

You have insurance to protect yourself because claims can bankrupt and individual or small or midsize company. When you're a multi billion dollar corporation you take on some of that risk yourself rather than allowing a third party to profit off of your premiums. Think of it as paying premiums to yourself in the form of retaining funds for potential litigation. If the claims are made you pay out from these funds. If the claims are not made you retain these funds rather than lose them to an insurance company.

 

[GoofGoof]

Well, first, we have to point out that there are legitimate emotional support animals for people that have a clinical diagnosis. That said, this why you only really hear "emotional support" in casual conversation, or that hand-picked question for the Disney (blech) Moms. Because of policies like this, most of the fakers have caught on. It only takes being denied once to learn what to say.

Again, I think you have too much faith in people. People that claim "emotional support" animals can easily "justify" the "he senses health problems". Remember, they can't ask you to specify your health problem! It's a really small step if you are already claiming "emotional support" so you can break the rules to say "he senses health problems" because, they feel entitled and can internally justify it with "well, my emotions are my health problem, it's none of their business" or "little Bobby and Suzie are so much happier when he is around". It's just so easy...

As to your second point, I have to go back to the GAC.

Yes, we all have stories of that cousin we had, or that family we saw, that would rent a wheel chair back in the day and people would take turns "being the disabled one", or the teenager who would wear a fake cast, etc. But what happened with the GAC - and that magic, wonderful, yet terrifying invention called the Internet - word spread quickly, you could spend ten minutes on the internet and figure it all out and how to do it.

This announcement I'm sure is already spreading like wildfire - and if you don't think that now that this is allowed officially, people are going to take advantage of it - I have to return to the fact you have way more faith in humanity than I do. Now that dogs are allowed for everyone at those resorts, the idea is now in the heads of "casuals" who didin't bring them before, but now will. Now there is a specific system, people are going to feel a whole lot less inhibited - "well, they allow any dogs anyway...so what's the harm - plus it's going to save us $350 so we can off-set that (insert upcharge event) we wanted to go to!"

I'll be waiting for some CM to leak some numbers, like they did with the GAC - my guess is, more people are going to suddenly be coming with "service animals" than are paying the $50/day.

I don’t disagree that a portion of people will abuse any system. My only point is that they could have abused it before without Disney allowing pets in the hotels. I didn’t see that as an existing problem.

If they are going to allow the pet dogs to stay at the hotels they better keep the staff well trained at the front gates because I do think it’s only a matter of time before people are trying to bring their dogs to the parks. As long as they have a firm policy and ask the legally allowed questions I don’t think the abuse will be as great as you think. The problem with GAC was it was too easy to abuse. You could request it without any questioning and it wasn’t obvious that you were abusing it. It’s a lot more obvious when you are walking around the park with a dog.

 

[ford91exploder]

Then. Don't. Kill. Them. lol

Poodles, one of the best breeds for those with allergies. Standard, not miniature or toy.

A Standard Poodle is not a small dog

 

[AndyS2992]

So, the new policy kicks in tomorrow, with approx. 48 hours lead time ....

1) How quickly to you expect dogs to start showing up?

2) How long before we start hearing stories - both good and bad?

Well the lifestylers will pack in day one with their rooms paid for by Disney for free marketing as usual and will be plastered all over YouTube and social media.

Not long lol

 

[ford91exploder]

That's it in a nutshell.
I love dogs, but people are people and rules are made because there are people that are inconsiderate, selfish, rude, dangerous etc.
For every Cesar Milan, there are 20 dog owners that seriously need his assistance.

More like 200 and the only time i've ever been bitten by a dog was by an unleashed Maltese. Talk to any mailman and they will tell you that small dogs are the biggest threat from 'fear biting'

As to pets we share the house with 2 Great Pyrenees i.e. 100+ lb dogs and a couple norwegian forest cats.

Big dogs and Large Cats

But both go to the local pet hotel when we vacation. So both the dogs and cats get attention and exercise with people they know.

 

[DABIGCHEEZ]

The rules say you can’t leave the dog for more than 7 hours in the room. Let’s see how they enforce that. Maybe the dogs will get a hotline to call if the owners don’t come back in time

Yeah and I am sure all owners will follow the rule to not let the dogs on the furniture too.

 

[GoofGoof]

Yeah and I am sure all owners will follow the rule to not let the dogs on the furniture too.

When you check in and ask Bell services to bring one of these up to your room it’s a dead giveaway

 

[Incomudro]

More like 200 and the only time i've ever been bitten by a dog was by an unleashed Maltese. Talk to any mailman and they will tell you that small dogs are the biggest threat from 'fear biting'

As to pets we share the house with 2 Great Pyrenees i.e. 100+ lb dogs and a couple norwegian forest cats.

Big dogs and Large Cats

But both go to the local pet hotel when we vacation. So both the dogs and cats get attention and exercise with people they know.

I love Great Pyrenees - beautiful dogs!
Norwegian Forest Cats are beautiful cats too.