Animaniac93-98
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That we did, and this report more or less confirms that.
Not great numbers considering how much they spent to build it.
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2019 Theme Index
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That we did, and this report more or less confirms that.
Not great numbers considering how much they spent to build it.
Notes from Neverland
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As always, take these numbers with a grain of salt. That being said, it looks like Disney's idea to steady their attendance through increased prices has worked. Whether or not they're actually happy their plan worked remains to be seen.
donsullivan
Premium Member
It is the only source of data we have from a reputable industry source. And since they've been doing it for so long they are the constant baseline.
Yeah, even the TEA/AECOM analysis in the report suggests that is the reason for Disney Parks being flat. We heard reports late last year that they felt that had achieved price and attendance equilibrium and these numbers seem to bear that out.
Having RotR delayed and being forced to open Galaxies Edge in phases was a massive hit. If everything had been ready to go in late summer, accompanied by a decently executed marketing plan instead of the “you might want to wait until next year to book” messaging... there would a very different story here.
I think 2020 numbers would have been the massive Star Wars bump they were looking for. Now it’s all lost to coronavirus noise, attendance numbers aren’t going to be very meaningful the next few years beyond ‘survival mode’.
el_super
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Attendance numbers aren't the only measure of success. That all of the Disney properties saw significant price increases thru 2019, and didn't lose any attendance, could be seen as a huge win for them. Since there seems to be this prevailing idea that the parks are maxed out attendance wise, their target would be to keep attendance the same.
Overall I don't think these numbers indicate anything negative about Star Wars in the parks, and everything bad about the direction of Hong Kong Disneyland. That's the property to be worried for.
Animaniac93-98
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In the future, the opening of Galaxy's Edge will be compared with the opening of Euro Disney and California Adventure as an example of the company dropping the ball.
Look what the Nondescript Coster Themed to India or Whatever did for a fraction of the cost. Disney’s break even point has become worse and worse over the past 15 years.
Animaniac93-98
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Anyone who thinks Disney didn't want an increase in park attendance as a result of Galaxy's Edge is willfully ignorant.
el_super
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If they wanted an increase in attendance, they wouldn't have raised the prices so much. Attendance is something that is 100% under their control. If they wanted more gate clicks, all they had to do was unblock CM passes.
Animaniac93-98
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They blocked CM passed because they thought the park would be packed.
They changed sidewalks, curbs and planters in the park because they thought the park would be packed (Project Stardust)
danlb_2000
Premium Member
The accuracy of the numbers has been discussed in the past. The actual counts are questionable, especially since Disney does not report number, but the trends and relative differences between parts are probably pretty accurate.
danlb_2000
Premium Member
Yeah, we will probably never actually be able to see what impact it had on attendance.
donsullivan
Premium Member
We hear that every year. Present alternate numbers with verifiable attribution to dispute them. Otherwise, it's just another opinion that the data doesn't match what you believe it was.
Meanwhile, this is the only constant source of this data available since (with the exception of OLC for Tokyo http://www.olc.co.jp/en/tdr/guest.html) the operators don't release the data.
el_super
Well-Known Member
And.... it wasn't? 18 million people packed into little Disneyland is already an insane number of people to put in that tiny park. DL is about 80% the size of MK, and yet pulling about 90% of the same attendance. By acreage, Disneyland is the most crowded park on earth.
And they're still doing this, right now, as we ... type. The work being done was an effort to increase the overall value of the experience, since the corresponding ticket prices were also being increased. I think it's a false assumption to believe that every attraction, show, parade has to significantly increase attendance to recoup costs. Eventually you would hit a wall. I find it difficult to believe that their operating strategy could be boiled down to just simply pumping more people thru the gate until the place explodes.
WDW Pro
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I can't for security reasons. But I'm right enough that you can take it to the bank - these are not off by a little. I'll give you one number that shouldn't get anyone in trouble:
DL - approx 16.5 million.
Animaniac93-98
Well-Known Member
This was a 14 acre expansion of the park that was hyped since 2015 and took years of development and hundreds of millions to realize.
Again, willful ignorance.
jt04
Well-Known Member
It appears the WDW numbers are underestimated.
WDW Pro
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That is also correct.
el_super
Well-Known Member
LOL the only thing that's ignorant is believing that attendance is the only metric of success, but OK you are certainly able to believe what you want.