2014 ICS Elite Eight: Discussion Thread

englanddg

One Little Spark...
I'll start with @RMichael21

- I thought your post was very well organized, and easy to read. Though, I do wish you'd put the map towards the top so I'd have a visual reference as I read the descriptions. But, like most of what I'm saying here, that's a minor gripe.

- While @Voxel's statement "It can be agreed that the Magic Kingdom is a magical place and experience however the atmosphere of the Transportation and Ticket Center is that of an Atlanta Greyhound Station." is certainly the most amusing, I felt your introduction was hands down the best of all the submissions. I LOVED how you described the transition and quoted Walt. VERY well done, and excellent writing!

- I really enjoyed your idea to break up the various areas of MK and represent them across the TTC. That is unique thinking, yet fits quite well with the overall theme and structure of the area. As a result, I'm going to continue this with breakdowns of each section...the only thing I did NOT like was the recreation of Cinderella Castle. Rather, I wish you'd taken it into something more vague, rather than a scale model (as implied). Say, a fountain that "resembles" or "pays homage", not just a cheap model. It just comes off a bit tacky to me (though I wholly grant had you had more space to work with for your final post, you may have gone a different direction).

- I will mention again, I really loved the concept of the themed ticket kiosks with their own ambient soundtracks! Just exciting!

- I'm really not sure what the Fantasyland Shops bring to anything. They are rather out of the way and feel like an afterthought. Perhaps if they had inhabited the space to the south that you have as trees so Monorail Guests who arrive or depart would also see and experience them they'd be a bit better? I just don't see it, frankly.

- You are the only one to mention reimagined Monorails (that I recall as of now, I'm still re-reading them all), and I wish you'd spent a sentence more on that, or dropped it. The whole concept felt rushed and shoved in at the last minute.

- Gardens of Magic seems like a great transition from Poly to the TTC, and something which adds to both the Resort and TTC.

Overall, I think the unified theme (that being representing MK and Disney) was very well done. That being said, the whole area seems to be spread out with no cohesive grouping. Meaning, it's a park (not a theme park, but a city park) that has transportation and limited shopping options, and outside of a few high points, I didn't pick up much that made it anything but. Overall though, I really enjoyed this concept.

I give it 4.0 out of 5 stars.
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
@Matt7187

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- I liked your opening graphic. A lot. Like...I want that at Disney NOW!

- Once again (and this isn't a comment at you alone, many did the same), with limited text to describe your concept, I'm not sure spending time on saying the current TTC is inadequate is required, as the Challenge Text stated as much. It just seems like a wasted use of resource to me.

- LOVE the LED sign idea!

- I wish you'd spent more time on the "Ticketing Computer", that sounds intriguing (note the angle I took, and you'll see why I say that)...Also, why choose $12.95?

- While I feel you had a strong start, I also feel you veered way of topic of the challenge. This was not a challenge that asked us to redesign the transportation systems, this was a challenge that asked us to redesign the TTC. While I agree with all your points, and certainly think an offhand mention is worthy of consideration, spending the bulk of your presentation on them doesn't add anything. Of course, this is my opinion. Good ideas, wrong focus.

Like @Voxel, I wish I could comment more, but this is another seed that didn't sprout. I have seen your detail work, and this wasn't it. It felt like you tossed it out at the last minute, and it reads more like an Op-Ed (much of with, I will state, I agree with) than a final proposal.

That and you couldn't be bothered to find even a second image (say a futuristic monorail or something?) to solidify your concept?

I hate to say it Matt, but I give this a 2 out of 5 stars.
 
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englanddg

One Little Spark...
So, for that matchup, I'm calling @RMichael21. @Matt7187 had some strong ideas, but just didn't expound upon them well, and got distracted with his own (quite valid) reasons to revamp the rest of Disney Transportation. Had that been the challenge, I think @Matt7187 would have this hands down, as his proposals are solid. But, since it wasn't, I think he "missed the ferry boat", so to speak.
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
I'm gonna do myself now. Me vs @IDInstitute.

I'll start with me.

- You had to use a Mickey head for the building shape, didn't you. That's so Eisner era.

- PROOFREAD MUCH? You yourself said you were mostly done all day, but then you have this? "where, where," Yeah...

- Nice clean map.

- Your writing is verbose, and this can come off cluttered. Also, your mixed use of passive and active voice is, frankly, annoying. Pick one or the other. Active is preferred.

- Map looks ok, but why is Cindy's Royal Table marked in the lower left hand corner? Are you planning on moving it? (the answer is no, Bing Maps is just stupid like that, and I missed it until final post)

- 450 kiosks, eh? That's quite a bit. Did you put thought into how they'd fit into the room you allotted?

- Anything else you can shove into that montage? Maybe the kitchen sink?

- You really made use of stretching the "bullet list" rule, didn't you. That could backfire, my friend.

- Your summary stinks

Ok, yeah, it's hard to critique one's self (that's why it's so nice to hear it from others).

I don't feel this was my best work, but I also don't think it was lacking in any major way. Therefore I'm going to give it a 4 out of 5 stars.
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
@IDInstitute

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Ok, like my trying to critique myself, I also can't honestly critique my competitor, so this is my best attempt.

That being said, as has been noted, I think this is a great match up (me vs @IDInstitute) because he's got such a great range and there's no telling what he's going to do (which puts me on edge).

So, here we go!

- As @Voxel mentioned...you HAD to keep the BAH, didn't you. I actually really like your idea to use it here, and I think it fits. So, +1 from me for that unique and amazing idea!

- Your magic marker drawing, well. It's ok. That's all I'll say about that.

- I really enjoy your style of writing. It's easy to read, and to the point. And, if I may say, comes off as very professional.

- Pixie dust on the walls? <ahem, Horizons much?>



Still a cool concept though!

- From here, I could tell you were feeling the sentence limit. You could have handled Dining and Merch better, but you still handed it quite well. I really enjoyed the unique names you gave each venue. VERY creative.

- I really like your map, a lot. (though, I'm not sure why you scribbled black all over the top of it, like a mustache).

In all, I can't call this one. I'll give an equal 4 out of 5 stars, because, well, it deserves it! So only final judgement will tell!
 

MonorailRed

Applebees
Ok...

- I liked your picture, you certainly spent a lot of time on certain items such as the monorail and the amazing ferry boat. But, it was rather dark and monochromatic. I think a daytime shot, perhaps, would have highlighted your concept a bit more than the starry sky. Also, why is Darkhorse Knight in the upper left?

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Fantasia…

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- While I like the idea of Fine Arts, I'm not sure what this has to do with the MK area or how it represents WDW as a whole. I always viewed TTC as sortof the "Welcome Center" for WDW, as it's the first place many experienced in the past (before pre-purchase tickets were a major thing).

I think that's it - We look at it differently!

I grew up with Bus Transportation from each of my resorts… And we always either drove to the resort or took a cab or used the Disney Buses from the Orlando Airport.

The best memories of Transportation and Ticket Center? My Dad would wake me up at 6 to ride the Monorails around the Lagoon and then to EPCOT and back… It's never really been a "Welcome" to me.

- I do understand you were limited, but I'm having a hard time deciding exactly what you mean by 'Mediterranean Style Architecture".

Should've explained… Italy, Greece, Spain and France, with a dash of all the other countries around the Mediterranean.

- I think instead of saying how it's NOT Disney Springs, it would have been stronger to spend those limited words expounding on what it IS, not what it is NOT. Just my opinion.

Good Good…

-Takes Notes -

- The way you handled Ticketing is fantastic, though I do question it's placement in the pavilion (rather, shouldn't it be more front and center?). But, the overall concept and description sounds great!

It kinda was? o_O It's right next to Monorails and the Busses? :confused: Thought it was better to have it closer to two forms of transport then the tram, if that's what your saying.

your concept and descriptions as a whole left me wanting more.

Thats the plan! :cool:

I still end up picturing a high end shopping mall with venues above it. The gist I get from this line:

"This new area differentiates itself from Disney Springs by becoming an area for Fine Arts, such as: painting, wood carving, glass blowing, culinary, metal sculpting, animation, printmaking, and many more; not an area for resort with a major factor of trinkets and curios from vacation."

I suspect you meant it to be far more intimate and unique, but in the end, it just didn't come off that way.

Yeah, you got it right….I need to figure out how to use my words… more…. wisely :rolleyes:

Still 4.5 out of 5 stars, I loved the idea as a whole!

90%?

I'll take it for the first round!
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
I'll start with the expected winner of this matchup, @jdmdisney99.

Because he's "king".

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- Unique logo, I really like that. And the "North" part of it dragged me in to realize you were also (like @Matt7187) proposing an enhancement to the current Disney transit systems. However, you handled it well, as it wasn't a focus of your proposal, merely an addition to it. And, one I enjoyed. I actually wish this wasn't a comp proposal so I could see your plans and layouts for TTC South.

- While you again re-hash things the challenge itself has set forth, you do it well with your introductory paragraph. It makes me want to read more.

- That being said, while I found your concepts interesting, I didn't see you do much with the area besides cap it with a glass dome with stuff shoved in. I will expand upon this a bit later.

- MagicLanyards and MagicRings are great ideas, so are MagicWatches (something I support), but none of them are current, and for a limited presentation like this, probably should have been left out.

- You also have a rather "unique" and long winded sentence structure (something I share) that, while works for the limit, also is hard to read.

- I fail to see how these formats "offset" any costs? Is that due to sales alone?

- Interesting that you moved the Speedway. Makes sense.

- I liked the Solar Panel coverage idea for the lots. However, tying it into the grid for transportation should have been left out, as opposed to tying it into the general grid. (google "transformer stations")

- I LOVE the addition of electric charging spots, as that could branch out into long range (200 - 300 mile) electric vehicles being rented at Disney (ahem, Tesla sponsorship anyone?) That being said, most of the time they won't be used. But you counter that well with your statement that they aren't about use, they are "displaying the futuristic opportunities of transportation."

- PRT sounds neat, but way too much for this sort of challenge to squash issues. It's what one would really call a blue sky. Could pay off for you, but I'm not sure.

- SunRail is also a pipe dream, so you are connecting pipe dreams to pipe dreams on a challenge centered around the TTC, but yet you make it work. That being said, it only works if it ALL works. Something you never address.

Overall, what I'd expect from Yesnid himself. Really well thought out, and presented excellently. It's not flashy, it's not great, it's just solid and to the point. That being said, the map is silly. You propose levels in a glass dome, yet don't take into account floors. And you put venues on your map which are only loosely mentioned again, as if you realized...whoops, this challenge isn't about Disney Transit, it's about the TTC.

I rate this a 4.5 out of 5 stars.

tcool, you have some serious competition my friend!
 

DinoInstitute

Well-Known Member
@IDInstitute

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Ok, like my trying to critique myself, I also can't honestly critique my competitor, so this is my best attempt.

That being said, as has been noted, I think this is a great match up (me vs @IDInstitute) because he's got such a great range and there's no telling what he's going to do (which puts me on edge).

So, here we go!

- As @Voxel mentioned...you HAD to keep the BAH, didn't you. I actually really like your idea to use it here, and I think it fits. So, +1 from me for that unique and amazing idea!

- Your magic marker drawing, well. It's ok. That's all I'll say about that.

- I really enjoy your style of writing. It's easy to read, and to the point. And, if I may say, comes off as very professional.

- Pixie dust on the walls? <ahem, Horizons much?>



Still a cool concept though!

- From here, I could tell you were feeling the sentence limit. You could have handled Dining and Merch better, but you still handed it quite well. I really enjoyed the unique names you gave each venue. VERY creative.

- I really like your map, a lot. (though, I'm not sure why you scribbled black all over the top of it, like a mustache).

In all, I can't call this one. I'll give an equal 4 out of 5 stars, because, well, it deserves it! So only final judgement will tell!

Thanks! Fair points, and I agree its hard to judge each other. That's why I'm so scared!

The magic marker thing:p I wanted to take a try at hand drawing, hoping it would pay off. It doesn't look particularly great. But, I think its still better than my computer-based art. I'm working on it:p:D

I actually have never ridden Horizons, so sorry. I didn't know:p:D

The mustache was supposed to be green...as in a bunch of trees. Its very possible my computer lighting is off. Its happened before.
 

Voxel

President of Progress City
Thanks! Fair points, and I agree its hard to judge each other. That's why I'm so scared!

The magic marker thing:p I wanted to take a try at hand drawing, hoping it would pay off. It doesn't look particularly great. But, I think its still better than my computer-based art. I'm working on it:p:D

I actually have never ridden Horizons, so sorry. I didn't know:p:D

The mustache was supposed to be green...as in a bunch of trees. Its very possible my computer lighting is off. Its happened before.
Be glad I'm not a judge. Any mention of that hate would automatically be disqualified
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
So, @tcool



In my opinion you had the hardest lineup of us all. @jdmdisney99 is voracious when he wants to be, and he proved it with his post.

So, lets dig into yours?

- I'm not sure where you are going with this "rustic" choice. Lets see how it unfolds?

- I loved your attention to detail as to the ROLE the TTC plays.

- Your merch and cafe concepts are both solid, and I think were perfectly described.

- Where it starts to fall apart is when you get into the Ticketing Booths, but that comes together quickly in a moment.

- Ok, I've worked with you a bit in the past, and I'll say this, you need to lay out your concepts before presentation. You end your presentation with the new name, when that should be the first, for example. Though, I'm not sure what the name has to do with your concept, and that marks against you...it doesn't fit. Nice name, just doesn't work.

- I really liked the idea of theming the ticket booths to Disney Characters. Not quite as unique as @RMichael21 using the lands of Disney, but up there!

- You have my, hands down, favorite map of all of the maps presented this challenge. I enjoyed the details.

- You are not alone in this, but the docks seem to be a "toss away" mention. Either re-theme them, or don't, but saying they are "re-themed to match" seems a touch lazy.

- Your detail is amazing. In fact, the most detailed of all the proposals. You really spent time considering what guests would and would not seek from the TTC. I wholly appreciated this.

- Like many, you proposed an improvement to the WDW Transport system. While I think that's grand, I also think it's outside the purview of this challenge. Were it you vs me, I'd call you out on it. But, it isn't, so I'll say since jdm did the same, and you opened that door yourself, you opened yourself to be criticized on your suggestions. Not as developed as his, but on par with his. So, it's moot, for this challenge.

- I'm not sure if you use a phone/ipad or computer to view the forums, but you need to play with your final formatting a bit.

Overall, an excellent post, and certainly the n00b is telling the Old Guard there's talent there! Also, @tcool focused more on the actual venue itself, which was the nature of the challenge request. This is something that @jdmdisney99 balanced well, but still spent quite a bit of time outside of the TTC.

For those reasons...

I also can't call this one. As I think @tcool's concept deserves 4.5 out of 5 stars.

So two ties!
 

Matt7187

Well-Known Member
@Matt7187

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- I liked your opening graphic. A lot. Like...I want that at Disney NOW!

- Once again (and this isn't a comment at you alone, many did the same), with limited text to describe your concept, I'm not sure spending time on saying the current TTC is inadequate is required, as the Challenge Text stated as much. It just seems like a wasted use of resource to me.

- LOVE the LED sign idea!

- I wish you'd spent more time on the "Ticketing Computer", that sounds intriguing (note the angle I took, and you'll see why I say that)...Also, why choose $12.95?

- While I feel you had a strong start, I also feel you veered way of topic of the challenge. This was not a challenge that asked us to redesign the transportation systems, this was a challenge that asked us to redesign the TTC. While I agree with all your points, and certainly think an offhand mention is worthy of consideration, spending the bulk of your presentation on them doesn't add anything. Of course, this is my opinion. Good ideas, wrong focus.

Like @Voxel, I wish I could comment more, but this is another seed that didn't sprout. I have seen your detail work, and this wasn't it. It felt like you tossed it out at the last minute, and it reads more like an Op-Ed (much of with, I will state, I agree with) than a final proposal.

That and you couldn't be bothered to find even a second image (say a futuristic monorail or something?) to solidify your concept?

I hate to say it Matt, but I give this a 2 out of 5 stars.
I chose 12.95 because I saw somewhere that if you aren't staying on property and you want a MagicBand it cost $12.95 so I figured no reason to change it
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
Thanks! Fair points, and I agree its hard to judge each other. That's why I'm so scared!

The magic marker thing:p I wanted to take a try at hand drawing, hoping it would pay off. It doesn't look particularly great. But, I think its still better than my computer-based art. I'm working on it:p:D

I actually have never ridden Horizons, so sorry. I didn't know:p:D

The mustache was supposed to be green...as in a bunch of trees. Its very possible my computer lighting is off. Its happened before.
You all have never seen my hand drawn art...

One day, I'll break it out. Strathmore pads and all...
 

Zweiland

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
- You have my, hands down, favorite map of all of the maps presented this challenge. I enjoyed the details.
The text on the legend should have been white though. Not very readable. Other than that, the map was very good.

While we're on the subject, I would like to applaud @englanddg and @jdmdisney99 for their excellent maps, and give an honorable mention to @RMichael21's map. Those were my favorites.
 

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