GLaDOS
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If all goes according to plan, you should see 1 family thrill in the same vein as SDMT and one non thrill open in 2015 at Jurassic Park, and another one a few years after in Seuss.
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2012 Themed Entertainment Association park attendance figures show increase over 2011
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If all goes according to plan, you should see 1 family thrill in the same vein as SDMT and one non thrill open in 2015 at Jurassic Park, and another one a few years after in Seuss.
danlb_2000
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That assumes that it's the same 35,000 people in the park all day.
The Empress Lilly
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Please, mind your manners. This is a Disney site, not 4chan. Snarky insults, over several threads no less, have no place here and are becoming a bit tiresome.
Ollivanders has severe capacity issues. This is not a complaint, but an objective statement. Universal agrees with me (well, I with them), and that's why they are tripling Ollivander's capacity. (Yay!) To UNI's credit, they never gave in to the pressure to sacrifice show standards for profit at Potter, applying a 'full is full' policy on both the land as a whole and the wand shop in particular.
Disneyhead'71 knows where its at:
flynnibus
Premium Member
No one said otherwise... but that wasn't the comment under contention and you know it.
You do realize you don't buy wands in Olivanders right? Olivanders is the show only - the shop it funnels guests to to is Dervish & Banges.. which is also accessible without going into Olivanders. In addition, they place ODV carts selling the wands just around the corner... and the merchandise is also sold elsewhere. Something that is pretty clear to see when one visits.
The Empress Lilly
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Tsk of course I've visited, so I'm fully aware Ollivanders is the best ride in all of DCA!
But seriously. For me, getting a wand for your kid without having visited Ollivanders is like buying butterbeer without having visited Potterland. What's the point? The magic is missing, the added value is not there. Like having a butterbeer cart in an airport lounge.
The genius of Potterland is that it adds value to mundane merchandise, through sheer show. People are lining up for that stuff in far greater numbers than UNI expected even in their wildest imagination.
ParentsOf4
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Spending per guest is always up every quarter. You know why.
Jimmy Thick
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While these are just estimates, they do paint a steady picture for Disney, and a rather stark reality for Universal.
First off.
Disney keeps growing, no matter how stagnant they have become at building rides, no matter how lack luster they maintain the rides, no matter how horrible, * Jimmy rolls eyes *, people wish to perceive Disney World is, people are turning the turnstiles. 10 million at DAK and DHS this year? Absolutely! 12 million at Epcot? Possibly. 18 million at MK? Well, someone said in this thread they would have to average 50k a day, and that pesky end of August and September knida puts a damper on that thought. Good time to go though.
Now Universal.
A 4% increase is absolutely terrible. Some people might think that's something, but 4% after spending all the money Universal has spent, has to be considered nothing more that a disappointment.
How so?
Here is some reality. What if Potter has appealed to the people its going to appeal to?
What does that mean?
First off, Potter has been huge for Universal, I cannot deny that, but the interest in the whole Potter franchise is waning, the media does not talk about anything Potter unless its mentioning Emma Watson. But what if the first phase of Potter truly brought out the people who will be coming to see it? Do you honestly think the second phase of Potter is going to push IoA into 10 million visitors? 9 million? I doubt it. Right now, the economy is getting people hopeful, people are feeling secure in their jobs, people are spending money, if there was more money to squeeze out of Potter, people would have spent it. Potter phase 2 puts IoA in the 8-8.5 million range, and that's where it tops out at, unless...
They get rid of Marvel to Disney so they can purchase another license to build up and hype. face it, they need the land.
But here is the joke for Universal, if they really want to keep up with Disney, and for them to remotely even comprehend such a business decision is rather embarrassing, but if they really want to be seen as a clear alternative to Disney, they have to keep spending money, they have to keep building, and then they have to keep spending more money.
And that, is why Universal should be Universal, and not try to be Disney.
Oh, and by the way, Universal Hollywood being up so much has absolutely nothing to do with the Transformers ride, and everything to do with DCA, and people going the DL and DCA running out of things to do.
Until we meet again...
Jimmy Thick- Back to chemo...
First off.
Disney keeps growing, no matter how stagnant they have become at building rides, no matter how lack luster they maintain the rides, no matter how horrible, * Jimmy rolls eyes *, people wish to perceive Disney World is, people are turning the turnstiles. 10 million at DAK and DHS this year? Absolutely! 12 million at Epcot? Possibly. 18 million at MK? Well, someone said in this thread they would have to average 50k a day, and that pesky end of August and September knida puts a damper on that thought. Good time to go though.
Now Universal.
A 4% increase is absolutely terrible. Some people might think that's something, but 4% after spending all the money Universal has spent, has to be considered nothing more that a disappointment.
How so?
Here is some reality. What if Potter has appealed to the people its going to appeal to?
What does that mean?
First off, Potter has been huge for Universal, I cannot deny that, but the interest in the whole Potter franchise is waning, the media does not talk about anything Potter unless its mentioning Emma Watson. But what if the first phase of Potter truly brought out the people who will be coming to see it? Do you honestly think the second phase of Potter is going to push IoA into 10 million visitors? 9 million? I doubt it. Right now, the economy is getting people hopeful, people are feeling secure in their jobs, people are spending money, if there was more money to squeeze out of Potter, people would have spent it. Potter phase 2 puts IoA in the 8-8.5 million range, and that's where it tops out at, unless...
They get rid of Marvel to Disney so they can purchase another license to build up and hype. face it, they need the land.
But here is the joke for Universal, if they really want to keep up with Disney, and for them to remotely even comprehend such a business decision is rather embarrassing, but if they really want to be seen as a clear alternative to Disney, they have to keep spending money, they have to keep building, and then they have to keep spending more money.
And that, is why Universal should be Universal, and not try to be Disney.
Oh, and by the way, Universal Hollywood being up so much has absolutely nothing to do with the Transformers ride, and everything to do with DCA, and people going the DL and DCA running out of things to do.
Until we meet again...
Jimmy Thick- Back to chemo...
I don't really understand this argument. Nothing new has been built at IoA since Potter opened, and they're continuing to post the largest growth in Orlando.
All of the money has been spent at sister park, USF, and only Despicable Me has opened since the last report. I think that if they don't see a boost from Transformers and Springfield next year at USF, then there's a case for the money not being well spent. But it doesn't make sense to call the investment a disappointment when the attractions haven't even opened yet.
ParentsOf4
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shernernum
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shernernum
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Don't post much but read everyday....I think the key with the IOA numbers this year is retention. WWOHP has been open for 3 years and the park had gone 2009-2011 from under 5 mil to almost 8 mil guests. Yes, still not WDW #'s but a monumental bump. In 2012, a stagnant year attraction wise after not adding anything since WWOHP they have not only retained the Potter attendance bump but still had a slightly higher than industry average increase. If the Potter draw was a short term one the numbers would have completely stagnated or even reduced some, but they haven't. I think Universal is very happy with their investment. What will be interesting will be once the new USF things come online will they cannibalize IOA or will there be another property wide increase which gets their parks closer to DHS and DAK attendance levels.
thehowiet
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I agree. If IOAs numbers dropped, then Universal should be extremely concerned, but they didn't. Like you said, they achieved attendance growth that was higher than the industry average without anything new. If the bump at USF from Potter Phase II is significant and they can maintain that with growth that is higher than the industry average as they did with IOA, I think Universal will be very happy. By connecting the two parks with HE, I think both parks will benefit from the cash being spent in USF right now. If the other rumored additions and expansions at USO actually happen, I think things will only get better. Again, this is all just my opinion.
danlb_2000
Premium Member
Great post! The Uni numbers demonstrate that WWOHP wasn't just a flash in the pan, they got a great boost from it and they have sustained that attendance since.
danlb_2000
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GLaDOS
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Why do you bother when you know the answer will be some kind of nonsense like the post you just quoted?
The Empress Lilly
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I think you hit the nail on the head. Potter is not a fad. Potter has permanently lifted IoA's attendance up a level or two. Potter is still drawing new guests, and more importantly, many return guests too.
Some wondered whether IoA's numbers would revert back to pre-Potter days, once everybody had seen what the fuzz about the Boy Who Lived was all about. But instead, IoA still manages a slightly higher than industry average increase.
danlb_2000
Premium Member
While these are just estimates, they do paint a steady picture for Universal, and a rather stark reality for Disney.
First off.
Universal keeps growing, because of how great they have become at building rides, no matter how horrible, * Dan rolls eyes *, people wish to perceive Universal is, people are turning the turnstiles. 8.5 million at IOA this year? Absolutely! 7 million at Universal? Possibly.
Now Disney.
A 2.2% increase is absolutely terrible. Some people might think that's something, but 2.2% after spending all the money Disney has spent on Fantasyland and NGE, has to be considered nothing more then a disappointment.
How so?
Here is some reality. What if Fantasyland Expansion has appealed to the people it’s going to appeal to?
What does that mean?
First off, Fantasyland was a nice addition for Disney, I cannot deny that, but it contains a bunch of mediocre attractions that are really only of interest to people who are already coming to Disney. Do you honestly think this expansion going to push MK into 20 million visitors? 19 million? I doubt it. Right now, the economy is getting people hopeful, people are feeling secure in their jobs, people are spending money, if there was more money to squeeze out of these old movies, people would have spent it. Fantasyland puts MK in the 18 million range, and that's where it tops out at, unless...
They start building some ground breaking attractions based on popular IP like Uni is.
But here is the joke for Disney, if they really want to inovate, and for them to remotely even comprehend such a business decision is rather embarrassing, but if they really want to be seen as innovative as Uni, they have to keep spending money, they have to keep building, and then they have to keep spending more money.
And that, is why Disney should be Disney, and not try to be Uni.
Until we meet again...
Dan