2012 Golden Tickets: SEA and Dolly Beat Out Disney In Most.

Bob Saget

Well-Known Member
Wow. A lot of sour grapes in here. Whatever happened to saying: "Well done Dollywood!" or "Well done (insert other park names here)" who did better than WDW in certain catergories? It's not like these awards are gonna dethrone Disney as the #1 tourist destination. They're just awards in quality, variety, and other aspects of the industry. But geez...some of you are really boiling in your Dole Whip over this. :confused:

Oh, and having visited Dollywood on several occasions, including this past June to ride Wild Eagle...I gotta hand it to that park for doing a superb job. It was very clean, the employees treated us great, and the theme/atmosphere was a nice breath of fresh air. No, it wasn't Disney...but it certainly wasn't anywhere down to regional park standards either.

Those of you stewing over this, take note of what athletes do when another team/athlete does something better: They congratulate them, shake their hand, and move on with life.
 

B-Mac

New Member
Hey, take this from an enthusiast who's been to 30 different parks in the last three years. These awards are actually pretty legit once you get past the best steel, best wood, and best new ride awards. There's a damn good reason as to why these parks on the list consistently rank above Disney parks in certain categories almost every year. They may not be up to the scale that Disney parks are at in terms of attendance, sales, etc. but they sure as hell succeed with their niches well and aim to innovate what they have to offer. While other parks are innovating Disney was sitting stagnant and essentially just camping on their hill, which I would assume they've noticed was not a good plan with the Magic Kingdom expansion and whatever the hell is happening in MGMS.
 

RSoxNo1

Well-Known Member
That's what MAGICal pyro tags can do for you ... oh, and let's not forget all that special LE merchandise that will only be available on that one day (or eBay after). Who doesn't want Horizons 30 and WoM 30 pins, even over a decade after they were demolished and replaced with lesser attractions? I know who does ... most WDW fanbois!

Speaking of which, is vinylmation already crashing and not becoming the next pin scam from the wonders of Disney merchandise? 'cause my outlet store has been dumping them by the truckload since June (at least) at as low as $2 a piece.

I love BGW, as you know, but I'd hate to think that five years from now the place will have 10 coasters ... that would be a big turnoff. And I love every coaster they have now.
I've been hearing rumblings that the merchandise could be available before the 30th.
 

tjkraz

Active Member
I will not argue with that whatsoever. The angle I see is the updating and changing of their lineup. WDW offers an outstanding product but lacking in the innovation and upkeep area. CP is ahead in keeping the park fresh and reasons to go back (disregarding theme, etc.)

That may be perception but I don't see it as any sort of reality.

Cedar Point's 2012 additions were a separately-ticketed dinosaur walk-through which was relocated from another Cedar Fair park and a pay-for-play FastPass clone.

In 2011 they added the WindSeeker, a $5 million swing ride which was apparently purchased in bulk since it's now in six Cedar Fair parks.

In 2010 it was a decent water flume ride at a cost of $10.5 mil.

2009 new light show. 2008 saw the addition of a Snoopy-themed kiddie area to go with... their existing Snoopy-themed kiddie area. (Some of the rides are virtually identical in both--apparently they just relocated them from another CF park which was closed.)

I guess if you want to argue that Cedar Point adds SOMETHING new every season, it's technically true. But that's akin to lauding WDW for Sorcerer's of the Magic Kingdom and a new meet & greet location. A premium dino walkthrough and cloned kiddie rides don't contribute much to the park's "freshness".

And financially, there's obviously no comparison. Would $5 mil swing rides and $11 mil log flumes at WDW be regarded as progress?
 

WildcatDen

Well-Known Member
These awards are pretty meaningless. KI wins best kids' are every year. I hear it has a lot to do with how much advertising you buy.
Maybe it's because King's Island does have a great Kid's area? I liked it better when it was the Hannah Barbara characters, but for a kids area, there is a lot to see and do.
 

BryceM

Well-Known Member
I fail to see how "Cedar Point" is better than Tokyo DisneySea, Islands of Adventure, Dollywood, Magic Kingdom and Disneyland...

Whoever runs this poll must just love the coasters.

And by the way, Dollywood has definitely deserved most of those awards. It's a breath-taking park with friendly staff, great food and has some Disney/Universal quality attractions.
 

tjkraz

Active Member
Never been to CP. No real desire to ever visit. I like coasters, but not a park full of them.

But I'd use your analogy to the MK ... it's No. 1 in the world (supposedly), so it must be best, right?

We call that the WDW fanboi Walmart argument. And it holds about as much water as a dixie cup.

Your words, not mine.

The only definitive comment I'll make is that I have no appreciation for a "best of" list which names Cedar Point as the #1 park in the world. CP is a fun distraction if you want to be twisted and turned in every possible direction by a myriad of steel coasters. But operationally it fails in so many areas that it's place atop the list seems unfathomable (to all but extreme coaster junkies, apparently.)

Everything that folks revile about the current state of Disney parks is manifested (and magnified) at Cedar Point: mediocre, apathetic staff, lack of cleanliness, inescapable carnival barkers, premium charges at every turn, dining locations are either run by outside vendors (Panda Express, Chik Fil A) or the food is barely edible..and overpriced.

You think WDW's management, staff, grounds, and restaurants are bad? You ain't seen nothing 'til you've been to Sandusky. And don't even get me started on their hotels & campgrounds.

Yet, Cedar Point can apparently weather all of that...sink $25 million into a Top Thrill Dragster every 6-7 years...and still earn worldwide acclaim.

Personally I'm not qualified to rank the best parks even in the US, much less the world. But again, I have absolutely no connection to a list which would put Cedar Point--a park which places zero value on theming or the overall guest experience--at the top of the heap.
 

NX2I85

Active Member
There is indeed some merit to the idea that other parks are rising in quality while the four WDW parks are just sitting there in neutral (relatively speaking). But the notion that Busch Gardens W'burg is a superior park to anything at WDW is just silly. Having extensively toured both (WDW quite a bit more -but still...), I don't find BGW to be better landscaped, to have a more hospitable staff, to be cleaner, nor to have more interesting attractions.
 

cheezbat

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I'm not "fabricating" anything. If you're gonna throw facts out there, at least provide them. Show where Cedar Points and Magic Kingdom's "safety capacity" is.

You guys do know capacities have to be approved through county fire marshal codes and whatnot...acreage and amount of rides do not necessarily equal higher capacity. For instance, the store I work at is 10,600 square feet and our capacity is 412 people. One of our sister stores in Orlando is only 8,500 square feet yet their capacity is 454. We're in different counties with different codes. Same goes for theme parks buildings, queue lines, rides, restrooms, etc.
 

cheezbat

Well-Known Member
I agree that Cedar Point is overrated. While its known for its coasters, I personally enjoyed Six Flags Magic Mountains coaster collection more than Cedar Point. Cedar Point has more rides than any other park, but are the majority of them quality? Nope. Maybe ten or twelve of them.
Busch Gardens Williamsburg is a beautiful and clean park. The only park I've been to that I felt was on par with it was Disneyland.

I do agree with their top dark rides though. Harry Potter and Spiderman are tops. I can't wait to see what Universal does next!

As for the waterparks...sorry but Schlitterbahn is so overrated. I can't stand the setup, the cramped feeling, and the lack of some of the newer more popular slides. Aside from the Master Blasters and a few tube chutes, not my fave. Blizzard Beach and Noah's Ark are way better.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
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As for DCA, I am excited by the fact the Paradise Gardens restrooms still have the original Route 66 interior and tiles work. Maybe I should get pics of them ... some blogger has to have beaten me to it. With the amount most eat, they tend to spend a lot of MAGICal time in them.:eek:

Old news.. Has been known all along. Apologists swore the magical phase 2 fairy would correct all things they skipped due to lack of budget ;)
 

Taylor

Well-Known Member
Awesome Silver Dollar City getting some love (they will get best new ride and coaster next year ;)) but I think this magazine likes the small parks better and is drinking the UNI butterbeer
 

lebeau

Well-Known Member
Maybe it's because King's Island does have a great Kid's area? I liked it better when it was the Hannah Barbara characters, but for a kids area, there is a lot to see and do.

I love Kings Island and they have a great kids area. But even KI fans have to admit they shouldn't have had a lock on this award for this many years. There are plenty of other deserving kids areas across the country.
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
Dollywood and that general area is a real threat to the Orlando tourist trade. Love also that the park was rated as having the best food. Southern cooking can't be beat.

More importantly though, the region is on the cusp of something BIG. And the Dollywood/Pigeon Forge/Gatlinburg area is in the right place at the right time.

TWDC and Orlando tourist business industry had better get busy.
 

michmousefan

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The only definitive comment I'll make is that I have no appreciation for a "best of" list which names Cedar Point as the #1 park in the world. CP is a fun distraction if you want to be twisted and turned in every possible direction by a myriad of steel coasters. But operationally it fails in so many areas that it's place atop the list seems unfathomable (to all but extreme coaster junkies, apparently.)

Everything that folks revile about the current state of Disney parks is manifested (and magnified) at Cedar Point: mediocre, apathetic staff, lack of cleanliness, inescapable carnival barkers, premium charges at every turn, dining locations are either run by outside vendors (Panda Express, Chik Fil A) or the food is barely edible..and overpriced.

You think WDW's management, staff, grounds, and restaurants are bad? You ain't seen nothing 'til you've been to Sandusky. And don't even get me started on their hotels & campgrounds.

Yet, Cedar Point can apparently weather all of that...sink $25 million into a Top Thrill Dragster every 6-7 years...and still earn worldwide acclaim.

Personally I'm not qualified to rank the best parks even in the US, much less the world. But again, I have absolutely no connection to a list which would put Cedar Point--a park which places zero value on theming or the overall guest experience--at the top of the heap.

OK, first off, an industry poll that places parks like Cedar Fair and Six Flags parks in the same slots as Theme parks like Disney Parks is a joke. It would be much better if they had categories for "seasonal parks" and "Year-round Operations" parks, for a start. Kinda like apples and oranges.

That said, CP is my home park, and as a former employee I have to defend it. Don't know if you have been to many other seasonal parks, but CP is by far the best of the bunch. Food overpriced? Of course it is. It's also overpriced at any park. Mediocre staff? That hasn't been my experience, but there are sullen employees everywhere, even at Disney Parks. CP does recruit heavily from eastern european countries because they get the cream-of-the-crop college kids to work there; for them to get work visas they need to be fluent in english and be top students.

Cleanliness? You must have visited on a very busy day or not have a lot of experience at this sort of thing. CP is one of the few parks that still has a staff of sweeps whose main job is to clean the midways and pick up trash along the paths. They do a good job. CP has four "cornerstones" they teach their employees: Safety, Courtesy, Cleanliness and Service. They recently added an "Integrity" cornerstone (I know, five corners doesn't really work) that strives to bring it all together. Similar to what CM's are taught at WDW.

Don't lump Sandusky in with your criticism of the park... has nothing to do with the quality of the services and rides inside the gates. Do you want me to start comparisons to Kissimmee?

CP is second to Dollywood in terms of live shows, but still has a good amount of music that is performed live, as opposed to Six Flags parks that are mostly piped in backing tracks. CP's new Luminosity show (definitely some Ouimet influence for it's creation) was so well received that it merited a special editor's pick in the Golden Ticket Awards. It's a great show.

Apparently CP's rides don't do that much for you, but they do have a world-class lineup of coasters... and that will grow next year with their new ride, GateKeeper... which will occupy the site of Disaster Transport, which was CP's sole attempt to create an elaborately themed ride, and was a miserable, awful failure. The new ride is going to be a significant improvement, and looks to be another world-class coaster, and a lot of fun.

CP is not Disney, and they shouldn't be. But it's a pretty fantastic amusement park on its own.
 

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