2009 International Food and Wine Festival menus and pricing

jakeman

Well-Known Member
Plus I know he will give an honest opinion if the once free wine tastings were worth the $8 they now cost.
Is that a compliment or sarcasm? :lookaroun

I'll definately post something (I'll look for something "news worthy" so I can sneak it into this section) about my trip.

I do hope the wine tastings are worth the $8, but I have no problem stating that the quality has gone down and they are not.

I know I rale against people who look at pictures and pass judgement, but the portion size seems to be all over the place. For example, you only get two potstickers in China, but the lobster and seafood pie looks like an individual pot pie size.
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
Could we have at least one F&W thread that is not taken over by jakeman and WDW1974's debate?? If you want to continue that discussion, take it back to the thread where you started it, guys! :wave:

Um ... ah ... nah.

This is a topic on Food and Wine and that's what old jake and I are talking 'bout.

We have a bit of a difference of opinion on certain aspects of it, but variety is the spice of life or so I've been told.

Besides, he's wrong about everything and needs to be reminded of that daily!

Although this is the first F&WF I've missed since 2000 (because, basically, I agree with the meat of both arguments in the debate--it has been made very expensive this year and so I am choosing not to attend), I am pleased to see that there is some variety in the menus this year versus the past couple of years. At least Italy is not serving the sicilian pizza that I could get at hundreds of locations throughout NYC! And while I enjoyed the seafood salad that New Zealand has been serving up the past two years, a seared sea scallop is a change that I would have liked to try.

I don't know, it looks like every locale is serving less items than in the past. I see some with 2-3 items total. So, I don't see great variety. I also don't see much that is very wild or exciting.

I was tempted to go up last weekend, moreso because this supposed Disney hater could say he was at DLP, DL and WDW all within a three-week period than because Food and Wine was beckoning. I'm still not sure whether I'll go or not. The next few weeks I have time, but then work really heats up and I'm just not sure it isn't better saving for future trips.


I am curious to know how the seminars are faring now that they are a paid event. Visiting the website where DVC members can pre-purchase discounted tickets, it looks like there are a number of seminars that did sell out, and a great number that still have tickets available.

I would guess that Disney is faring better on the bottom line and that was the whole purpose for doing this.
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
We can't. Someone brought politics (not WDW1974) into the thread and it was locked. :lol:

They always do that, don't they? Crazies.

Of course, once someone opens the door, I'm always gonna walk right in (Mom was very busy on one thread today!)

However, I'm not going to allow a negative slant on a 99% outstanding event be presented without countering it.

I am sure Meg, Erin and Danny appreciate you standing up for their little food fest.

I don't believe my 'slant' to be negative, but realistic. They used to offer free seminars, they now charge for them (and I have yet to hear one person say the tastings have doubled in size or grown at all).

They used to have reasonable price points for the samples, most that are small to tiny (there are some exceptions -- I have heard the Greek portions are very fair, for example). Having 'samples' at $4 and $5 (and a few are actually $7 range) price points reeks of gouging to me.

And I know the fact they have allowed DDP 'credits' to be used again plays a factor. You keep increasing prices because you want folks to think they are getting a deal, when in fact they aren't.

Do you think Disney would lose money if they had samples for $1, $2 and $3?

In my opinion, this is the best time to go to Epcot if you like food. Yes it's overpriced. Yes it is Americanized for the most part. But it is an awesome place to taste many dishes in one place I wouldn't have access to in such a short period of time.

All true.

But in past years, when I added my daily tab up and realized I could have gone to the Coral Reef or Tokyo Dining (or even California Grill) for a very nice meal vs. the tidbits on plastic I had on benches or while walking it became apparent to me the value just wasn't there any longer.


Regarding the seminars though, it really seems to depend on the winery. We had one were it was four sample. We drank, watched a video and then left.

Another we were given the different wines that make up a particular chardonay and had to try and "build" it ourselves. This was by far the most fun we had at anyone of them. Of course at the end the guy told us not to buy wine at Disney because it was horribly over priced. We haven't seen that winery back since...:lookaroun
It really depend on how much you like wine. As I stated above, it really is a crap shoot on whether you get a good seminar or not.

Before committing you might want to take a stroll around the WS. There was a wine walk-about last year (I think it has been replaced by beer this year) that you got samples and interact with the wineries. You might be surprised at what is going on back there and find you don't need the formality of a seminar.

I agree again with all of that, which is yet another reason why I have an issue with charging for them.

Nothing like spending $8 or $16 for two people only to find out you couldn't stand the swill served.

Free tastings encouraged people to try new wines (and foods) with no penalty if they didn't like the stuff.
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
The portions are really small for the price they charge. I absolutely love the cheddar cheese soup at Le Cellier, and Canada's stand was selling it for, what, $4? It was basically a thimble of soup for a dollar less than they charge for a cup in the restaurant.

Very good point. ANd something I noticed either last year or the prior.
 

jakeman

Well-Known Member
They always do that, don't they? Crazies.
Weirdos...I wish we could just find out who they are...:lookaroun:ROFLOL:


I am sure Meg, Erin and Danny appreciate you standing up for their little food fest.

I don't believe my 'slant' to be negative, but realistic. They used to offer free seminars, they now charge for them (and I have yet to hear one person say the tastings have doubled in size or grown at all).
Interestingly, I also think of my slant as realistic. Funny, huh?

I think it is really safe to say in this discussion, that it is probably a blend of both of our stances.

You say they are charging to make money, which I don't deny, but I am also pointing out that it will have the effect of making it available to people with greater time contraints.

Trust me, I will freely admit if they don't work when I come back. I'm already a little soured on being able to prepurchase the tickets.

They used to have reasonable price points for the samples, most that are small to tiny (there are some exceptions -- I have heard the Greek portions are very fair, for example). Having 'samples' at $4 and $5 (and a few are actually $7 range) price points reeks of gouging to me.

And I know the fact they have allowed DDP 'credits' to be used again plays a factor. You keep increasing prices because you want folks to think they are getting a deal, when in fact they aren't.
Again, just from the pictures I've seen, the portion size seems to be all over the place and a good mix too.

I'm sure the credits do play a factor, I'm just not sure how much. The fact that the place is dead during the day in the week and explodes at night and on the weekends would lend itself to my theory that it a local driven event. Of course, I will admit that is an observation only conclusion of mine.

Do you think Disney would lose money if they had samples for $1, $2 and $3?
I don't know. You don't either. Do you think they would lose money if Cokes were $1?

But in past years, when I added my daily tab up and realized I could have gone to the Coral Reef or Tokyo Dining (or even California Grill) for a very nice meal vs. the tidbits on plastic I had on benches or while walking it became apparent to me the value just wasn't there any longer.
That is a personal preference. The experience and the atmosphere is still very much worth it to me, overall.

People who spend $300 to get smashed drinking around the world could have done that much cheaper elsewhere on property, but it is about the experience.

I agree again with all of that, which is yet another reason why I have an issue with charging for them.

Nothing like spending $8 or $16 for two people only to find out you couldn't stand the swill served.

Free tastings encouraged people to try new wines (and foods) with no penalty if they didn't like the stuff.
That is a very valid point. I can only counter with you run that risk whenever you purchase new food (yeah that is a weak arguement, I know).

Again, I wish we knew more about the relationship between the wineries and Disney. It would make it easier to discern some of the reasons for these changes.
 

TURKEY

New Member
I definitely think they would make a profit at $2 for each sample. Some things that contain rarer ingredients (lobster, etc) might cost a little extra. I'm a pretty picky eater, but in years past would be willing to try something a little out of my comfort zone because of the smaller portion and price.



Cokes would definitely make a profit at $1.


I'm not going to F&W this year, but made it several times last year. Didn't do much other than some of the concerts and maybe 1 or 2 items per trip.

I did 1 wine seminar and while not a big wine drinker, I had 1 of the 5 that I liked. I wouldn't be paying for anything this year.



I find it sad that with so many people that work there, they can't find natives to staff booths. Some places I understand, but no Puerto Ricans or Dominican Republicans to actually work in their countries I find shameful.
 

fl3sunny

New Member
We went to F&W last night.
It was our time for this event.
The park was pretty crowded but we managed to eat quite a bit!
The sizes were good and the we really enjoyed just about everything.
My 11 yro loved the escargot!
 

CBOMB

Active Member
Is that a compliment or sarcasm? :lookaroun

I'll definately post something (I'll look for something "news worthy" so I can sneak it into this section) about my trip.

I do hope the wine tastings are worth the $8, but I have no problem stating that the quality has gone down and they are not.

I know I rale against people who look at pictures and pass judgement, but the portion size seems to be all over the place. For example, you only get two potstickers in China, but the lobster and seafood pie looks like an individual pot pie size.
No sarcasm intended. Just my honest opinion of you.
 

Dj Corona

Active Member
Umm, call me crazy, but it's December, and unless I missed something, F&W Festival is well done and over with for this year!:veryconfu
 

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