2 New Ships to Join DCL Fleet in 2021/2023

[Phonedave]

I'm glad to see someone else finds my idea as an interesting one. Thank you With that said, allow me to expand on my logic to try and explain where I'm coming from.

First of all, I'm the type of person who has a very short fuse (imagine a combination of Figment's imagination and love of creativity mixed with Anger's temperament...scary I know). With that said, it's not really the kids alone that get to me while on a Disney cruise, it's several elements combined that really push me to my limit. As of right now, I've been on 7 Disney cruises and have pretty much seen everything that the 3-7 day Caribbean cruises have to offer. Because of this, my cruise partner and I skip many of the "usual offerings" such as the shows, dinner in the rotating restaurants, Nassau etc. and mainly just sail for Castaway Cay, the new movies, Palo, Aquaduck and that overall Disney quality you don't see onboard other ships (heck, there's hardly quality in the park anymore).

Now getting back to my many levels of tolerance, as I said it's not just the kids, it's more the combination of kids acting out while the adults proceed to do nothing about it. For example on my last cruise, my cruise partner and I decided to try Cabanas for dinner as we've never tried it before and was wanting a change from the same three rotating restaurants. Well, not even 15 minutes into dinner a grandmother is seated next to us with I'm assuming her granddaughter. Right from the get go, the granddaughter starts bouncing all over the place, screaming her head off, demanding food that wasn't even on the menu, all while the grandmother just shrugs her shoulders and acted like nothing's wrong. Meanwhile because I'm siting in the booth that is connected to the granddaughter's, I'm bouncing up and down in my seat from the motion of the granddaughter. The whole dinner was like that and we had to just skip dessert because this grandmother would do nothing to calm down this child.

On the topic of adult-only areas. This is something that adds to my frustration as well. On two separate cruises I've seen children under 18 in the adult area, not just passing through but full on sitting in the area. On the cruise before last, a family brought their children on the upper deck to watch the firework. When a CM came by and told them they couldn't have children in that location, the family just acted like the CM never said anything. By the end of the show, the family was still there and never removed their children from the area. So, now we have "adult only areas" that are shrugged off by parents and employees yet, I can't go into the kid's area and have fun with their toys.

Finally, because my party and I only get off the ship at Castaway Cay, we tend to develop "cabin fever" after a few days which does not help with my frustration of the fellow guests onboard. All this combined together leads to my annoyance of a Disney cruise. Now would an adult-only cruise solve the problem of everything onboard? No. But if we eliminated the children, maybe things would be 25-50% better, at least in my case. Without kids, adults can't shrug off the responsibility of keeping them in-line. Plus, I'm sure there are plenty of adults who don't have/want kids but want to enjoy all the luxuries that a Disney cruise offers and be a child at heart. That's why I thought offering one smaller ship, or at least one special cruise a year for adults would be a very profitable investment. As to the "weird feeling" it would present on a Disney cruise, it wouldn't bother me at all. In fact, the less people onboard, the better (in my opinion).

Anyway, thanks for taking to time to read my extremely long explanation. Unfortunately, I do agree with everything you said and know that the possibility for this happening are very slim. But hey, I can dream

Edit: As a follow up to the survey involving the % of adults on a Disney Cruise. Could that possibly be because many adult cruisers see Disney cruises AS "just for kids and families" and don't sail because of this?? I've talked to many adult couples who had no idea about all the adult areas and such and just assumed it was a "theme park at sea" Maybe if the option was available, more adults would be inclined to sail?

Celebrity - Just as good as Disney (if you dont have kids with you), a good bit less expensive, and they actually enforce the "no kids in adult areas". I watched the "purser / drink runner / food deliverer / towel person / chair unreserver" person in the Thalassothearapy pool area boot out under 18 year olds (and he did it very nicely too) a number of times - both when they were alone, and with parents.

-dave

 

[Nastory4]

I'm actually happy they won't be much bigger. My experience is that larger ships don't really add much in entertainment value, just increase capacity (more rooms). The Dream and Fantasy are perfect sizes in my opinion.

Providing these are up to the same quality as the previous two models, I can't wait!

I totally agree. we much prefer the Magic to the Dream

 

[Daveeeeed]

Any ideas for the name? A few I've thought of...
Adventure
Imagination
Journey
Destiny
Discovery
Melody
Horizon
Any other ideas?

 

[Ralphlaw]

I'm glad to see someone else finds my idea as an interesting one. Thank you With that said, allow me to expand on my logic to try and explain where I'm coming from.

First of all, I'm the type of person who has a very short fuse (imagine a combination of Figment's imagination and love of creativity mixed with Anger's temperament...scary I know). With that said, it's not really the kids alone that get to me while on a Disney cruise, it's several elements combined that really push me to my limit. As of right now, I've been on 7 Disney cruises and have pretty much seen everything that the 3-7 day Caribbean cruises have to offer. Because of this, my cruise partner and I skip many of the "usual offerings" such as the shows, dinner in the rotating restaurants, Nassau etc. and mainly just sail for Castaway Cay, the new movies, Palo, Aquaduck and that overall Disney quality you don't see onboard other ships (heck, there's hardly quality in the park anymore).

Now getting back to my many levels of tolerance, as I said it's not just the kids, it's more the combination of kids acting out while the adults proceed to do nothing about it. For example on my last cruise, my cruise partner and I decided to try Cabanas for dinner as we've never tried it before and was wanting a change from the same three rotating restaurants. Well, not even 15 minutes into dinner a grandmother is seated next to us with I'm assuming her granddaughter. Right from the get go, the granddaughter starts bouncing all over the place, screaming her head off, demanding food that wasn't even on the menu, all while the grandmother just shrugs her shoulders and acted like nothing's wrong. Meanwhile because I'm siting in the booth that is connected to the granddaughter's, I'm bouncing up and down in my seat from the motion of the granddaughter. The whole dinner was like that and we had to just skip dessert because this grandmother would do nothing to calm down this child.

On the topic of adult-only areas. This is something that adds to my frustration as well. On two separate cruises I've seen children under 18 in the adult area, not just passing through but full on sitting in the area. On the cruise before last, a family brought their children on the upper deck to watch the firework. When a CM came by and told them they couldn't have children in that location, the family just acted like the CM never said anything. By the end of the show, the family was still there and never removed their children from the area. So, now we have "adult only areas" that are shrugged off by parents and employees yet, I can't go into the kid's area and have fun with their toys.

Finally, because my party and I only get off the ship at Castaway Cay, we tend to develop "cabin fever" after a few days which does not help with my frustration of the fellow guests onboard. All this combined together leads to my annoyance of a Disney cruise. Now would an adult-only cruise solve the problem of everything onboard? No. But if we eliminated the children, maybe things would be 25-50% better, at least in my case. Without kids, adults can't shrug off the responsibility of keeping them in-line. Plus, I'm sure there are plenty of adults who don't have/want kids but want to enjoy all the luxuries that a Disney cruise offers and be a child at heart. That's why I thought offering one smaller ship, or at least one special cruise a year for adults would be a very profitable investment. As to the "weird feeling" it would present on a Disney cruise, it wouldn't bother me at all. In fact, the less people onboard, the better (in my opinion).

Anyway, thanks for taking to time to read my extremely long explanation. Unfortunately, I do agree with everything you said and know that the possibility for this happening are very slim. But hey, I can dream

Edit: As a follow up to the survey involving the % of adults on a Disney Cruise. Could that possibly be because many adult cruisers see Disney cruises AS "just for kids and families" and don't sail because of this?? I've talked to many adult couples who had no idea about all the adult areas and such and just assumed it was a "theme park at sea" Maybe if the option was available, more adults would be inclined to sail?

I agree with much of what you have to say. When a child is continually allowed to misbehave, I want to slap the parent. So often, the parents are just lazy people in general. However, once in a while the child is autistic or has some other problem.

I sympathize, but it would seem that a cruise line other than Disney might be worth exploring for you. No, other lines aren't the same, but they bring things to the table that you might like. Disney = kids, for good or ill, and harboring a desire to have a kid-free Disney cruise is probably not productive, similar to those people who seem to spend a great deal of time thinking in detail about what they would do if they won millions of dollars in the lottery. To me, a Disney cruise without kids would empty and sterile, and probably not realistic.

 

[Donfan]

If you're worried about crowding, go during off season. The best cruise we have been on was the last Mediterranean cruise by the Magic in September one year. The kids were back in school and the crew commented on how few kids there were on the ship. Also, the smaller ships (Magic and Wonder) have pretty much the same size facilities (restaurants, theaters, etc.) but with a lot fewer total people, so you don't spend your time waiting for other people to make up their minds about things.

 

[ChuckElias]

Also, the smaller ships (Magic and Wonder) have pretty much the same size facilities (restaurants, theaters, etc.)

According to Disney Cruise News, the Magic/Wonder seat 977 in the Walt Disney theater while the Dream/Fantasy seat 1340 (and has a balcony on a second deck).

The rotational restaurants on the Magic/Wonder seat 471 each; on the Dream/Fantasy, they seat 696 each.

 

[Donfan]

But the serving facilities are the same (or nearly) on both ship sizes which means there are a lot more people trying to get food from the same-sized facilities causing much longer lines and wait times. And seating in the theaters, while a greater total, also fils up much quicker with the larger passenger sizes on the larger ships. I still prefer the smaller ships with fewer passengers.

 

[mikenatcity1]

I don't think they would allow another ship to dock outside of their own. Even though they could expand, it's nice to know that the only other guests on the island are the ones you have been sailing with. While it's also kind of a treat to have other Disney cruisers from another ship, part of the fun for me is that for one day, CC is "our island". I'm kind of mixed on having two ships in the fleet there. The closest I will get for now is that on my next cruise on the Magic, the Dream will be in Nassau as well. I'm looking forward to that photo op.

I love the photo-op with 2 ships together I was in Nassau a couple years ago with the Dream and Wonder were docked next to each other...found out my next cruise they will be again It's great to see Old and New next It was also awesome to watch the Wonder back out and do a full 180 pivot behind us.

 

[EOD K9]

I love the photo-op with 2 ships together I was in Nassau a couple years ago with the Dream and Wonder were docked next to each other...found out my next cruise they will be again It's great to see Old and New next It was also awesome to watch the Wonder back out and do a full 180 pivot behind us.

Turns out on that cruise we didn't do the photo op. The weather was terrible for our CC day and we turned that into our sea day. We moved our Nassau day to CC and Sea to Nassau. I'd rather skip the photo and hit CC. We were lucky we had that option.

 

[mikenatcity1]

I'm glad to see someone else finds my idea as an interesting one. Thank you With that said, allow me to expand on my logic to try and explain where I'm coming from.

First of all, I'm the type of person who has a very short fuse (imagine a combination of Figment's imagination and love of creativity mixed with Anger's temperament...scary I know). With that said, it's not really the kids alone that get to me while on a Disney cruise, it's several elements combined that really push me to my limit. As of right now, I've been on 7 Disney cruises and have pretty much seen everything that the 3-7 day Caribbean cruises have to offer. Because of this, my cruise partner and I skip many of the "usual offerings" such as the shows, dinner in the rotating restaurants, Nassau etc. and mainly just sail for Castaway Cay, the new movies, Palo, Aquaduck and that overall Disney quality you don't see onboard other ships (heck, there's hardly quality in the park anymore).

Now getting back to my many levels of tolerance, as I said it's not just the kids, it's more the combination of kids acting out while the adults proceed to do nothing about it. For example on my last cruise, my cruise partner and I decided to try Cabanas for dinner as we've never tried it before and was wanting a change from the same three rotating restaurants. Well, not even 15 minutes into dinner a grandmother is seated next to us with I'm assuming her granddaughter. Right from the get go, the granddaughter starts bouncing all over the place, screaming her head off, demanding food that wasn't even on the menu, all while the grandmother just shrugs her shoulders and acted like nothing's wrong. Meanwhile because I'm siting in the booth that is connected to the granddaughter's, I'm bouncing up and down in my seat from the motion of the granddaughter. The whole dinner was like that and we had to just skip dessert because this grandmother would do nothing to calm down this child.

On the topic of adult-only areas. This is something that adds to my frustration as well. On two separate cruises I've seen children under 18 in the adult area, not just passing through but full on sitting in the area. On the cruise before last, a family brought their children on the upper deck to watch the firework. When a CM came by and told them they couldn't have children in that location, the family just acted like the CM never said anything. By the end of the show, the family was still there and never removed their children from the area. So, now we have "adult only areas" that are shrugged off by parents and employees yet, I can't go into the kid's area and have fun with their toys.

Finally, because my party and I only get off the ship at Castaway Cay, we tend to develop "cabin fever" after a few days which does not help with my frustration of the fellow guests onboard. All this combined together leads to my annoyance of a Disney cruise. Now would an adult-only cruise solve the problem of everything onboard? No. But if we eliminated the children, maybe things would be 25-50% better, at least in my case. Without kids, adults can't shrug off the responsibility of keeping them in-line. Plus, I'm sure there are plenty of adults who don't have/want kids but want to enjoy all the luxuries that a Disney cruise offers and be a child at heart. That's why I thought offering one smaller ship, or at least one special cruise a year for adults would be a very profitable investment. As to the "weird feeling" it would present on a Disney cruise, it wouldn't bother me at all. In fact, the less people onboard, the better (in my opinion).

Anyway, thanks for taking to time to read my extremely long explanation. Unfortunately, I do agree with everything you said and know that the possibility for this happening are very slim. But hey, I can dream

Edit: As a follow up to the survey involving the % of adults on a Disney Cruise. Could that possibly be because many adult cruisers see Disney cruises AS "just for kids and families" and don't sail because of this?? I've talked to many adult couples who had no idea about all the adult areas and such and just assumed it was a "theme park at sea" Maybe if the option was available, more adults would be inclined to sail?

First- i've done 6 Disney cruises, no kids ever...

That being said- i've noticed it depends on the ship as to how the kids are. We had horrible luck on the Fantasy, but hardly notice the kids on the Dream (moderate on the Wonder). The Dream seems to be the only ship I noticed where kids really are not allowed on the adult decks (except when the ship launches on embarkation day as this is the best vantage point of the open ocean).

We had a cruise where there was a count of only 200 kids on board- shocking for it...but still pleasant (valentines day cruise).

I can see your thoughts for an adult-only cruise, I would probably sign up for it to be honest...but then there are kids that make our cruise worth it- the first time they see Mickey, or have a great experience with a character or when Snow White marches them across the stage in The Golden Mickeys...it makes me remember what it's like to be a kid again (but then the buffet line ruins it for me!)

 

[mikenatcity1]

Turns out on that cruise we didn't do the photo op. The weather was terrible for our CC day and we turned that into our sea day. We moved our Nassau day to CC and Sea to Nassau. I'd rather skip the photo and hit CC. We were lucky we had that option.

wow! That's great to have had that chance! I'm glad they were flexible rather than cancelling a day in general

 

[21stamps]

Maybe it's because I've been reading so much of it on another cruise line forum the past few days..But..

I am absolutely flabbergasted at the amount of people who complain about children, or want an adult only cruise, on the FAMILY cruise lines.

There are several lines who cater to an adult crowd and do not market to or cater towards children. Why not pick one of those, instead of expecting a marketed-to-families cater-to-families line to change their entire business model? If you don't want to cruise with children around, it's quite simple, choose a luxury line.,I'm sure you will be able to count all children on board with 10 fingers or less

 

[DISNEY FANTASY]

Maybe it's because I've been reading so much of it on another cruise line forum the past few days..But..

I am absolutely flabbergasted at the amount of people who complain about children, or want an adult only cruise, on the FAMILY cruise lines.

There are several lines who cater to an adult crowd and do not market to or cater towards children. Why not pick one of those, instead of expecting a marketed-to-families cater-to-families line to change their entire business model? If you don't want to cruise with children around, it's quite simple, choose a luxury line.,I'm sure you will be able to count all children on board with 10 fingers or less

To be honest on the Internet and on forums you get all types.

Genuine, nice people, who help.
People with real experience and knowledge.
The " Prolific poster" who is on from 5 am to 1am, to ensure their view is followed.
The " If I do not know, I will answer by a made up answer" -
The " from a bus driver, rumour maker".
And
The Ones there for effect and seek a response, often will moan to provoke a response.

In my experience there are posters, who haven't ever done what they claim to have done, or if they say they cruised a cruise line, it maybe another line or maybe over ten years ago! - yes honestly, it's happening, on the Internet, - I add, not here.

In the end, don't take it to heart, the " real" ones with experience often get shouted down by the other negative posters.

Take an " average" answer from say ten posters, do not rely on one poster only.

Ignore the moans, unless " everyone" moans.

Google, and do not over rely on Internet forums. Some direct you by links to other sites, but the information can be old so Google and search for recent information.

We had a social media cruise meets for our recent cruises, with hundreds of members, when you know people by real names, and get to know them you get to know, who you can trust, who has real expierances and honest opinions, and anyone being economical with the truth gets found out very quickly.

Our groups were wonderful, with honest, loverly real people, some were adults only but choose to cruise DCL.

 

[21stamps]

To be honest on the Internet and on forums you get all types.

Genuine, nice people, who help.
People with real experience and knowledge.
The " Prolific poster" who is on from 5 am to 1am, to ensure their view is followed.
The " If I do not know, I will answer by a made up answer" -
The " from a bus driver, rumour maker".
And
The Ones there for effect and seek a response, often will moan to provoke a response.

In my experience there are posters, who haven't ever done what they claim to have done, or if they say they cruised a cruise line, it maybe another line or maybe over ten years ago! - yes honestly, it's happening, on the Internet, - I add, not here.

In the end, don't take it to heart, the " real" ones with experience often get shouted down by the other negative posters.

Take an " average" answer from say ten posters, do not rely on one poster only.

Ignore the moans, unless " everyone" moans.

Google, and do not over rely on Internet forums. Some direct you by links to other sites, but the information can be old so Google and search for recent information.

We had a social media cruise meets for our recent cruises, with hundreds of members, when you know people by real names, and get to know them you get to know, who you can trust, who has real expierances and honest opinions, and anyone being economical with the truth gets found out very quickly.

Our groups were wonderful, with honest, loverly real people, some were adults only but choose to cruise DCL.

Great points!

We have a great FB group of people for my upcoming DCL cruise! Even though that's technically still on the internet, a lot of us have become "fb friends" on our personal pages as well. It's neat to see people's posts and family, and the feeling of "real people" that you will meet onboard and will be participating in the FE with. A few of us have even had our boys become pen pals! The group has been incredibly helpful to me (our first time on DCL), and have answered questions with no trace of snark...something that rarely happens on a message board.lol. There are a few adult only parties traveling, none have complained about children, and most are participating in the FE.

The past few days there has been a big thread going on another site-- a poll was posted about kids being allowed in the Haven on NCL. Surprisingly the voting results are almost 50/50!! I was/am shocked.

 

[LongLiveTheKing]

Have ship names been confirmed or a list of new amenities for them been detailed yet?

 

[LongLiveTheKing]

I would hazard to guess that the volume of crap from many single species likely exceeds that of all the manmade stuff from all the ships combined.

Also, I'd imagine that the many cleaner organisms are oh so VERY happy for these nice humans on their cruise lines to be dumping their flavorful and decadent waste for them

 

[216bruce]

Maybe it's because I've been reading so much of it on another cruise line forum the past few days..But..

I am absolutely flabbergasted at the amount of people who complain about children, or want an adult only cruise, on the FAMILY cruise lines.

There are several lines who cater to an adult crowd and do not market to or cater towards children. Why not pick one of those, instead of expecting a marketed-to-families cater-to-families line to change their entire business model? If you don't want to cruise with children around, it's quite simple, choose a luxury line.,I'm sure you will be able to count all children on board with 10 fingers or less

My wife and I have been on a bunch of cruises on DCL and also 5 ABD itineraries that had kids along. The kids keep things interesting, are great to talk with and a joy. I'll take it every time over most dinners on DCL where we get seated with just adults and end up talking football, weather, smalltalk, etc. Having good, smart, fun kids around is a LOT of why Disney can be fun. Keeps ya' young!