$1Mil per Mile

[Gig 'Em Mickey]

Overheard someone on the monorail this week state that the reason Disney isn't building any more monorail track is it would cost $1mil per mile. Can we just put this rumor to rest. WDW currently has what about 15 miles? If they could double the track at a cost of $15mil don't you think they would? $15 mil is a pretty small capital investment for something like that. I could believe $50mil. But I think it would be even higher once you build all the stations, upgrade the control systems, etc.

So let's just put the $1mil per mile rumor to bed already.

 

[Monty]

There was a recent thread that suggested $100 million per mile might be attainable...

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=382729&highlight=monorail

 

[Mr.EPCOT]

Or we could just put redundant Monorail threads to rest, unless there is some solid news that comes from somewhere.

 

[captainkidd]

I always thought they opted against expanding the monorail because of the logistical construction issues the resort would have to deal with.

 

[DisneyPhD]

I think the million dollar per mile number was used in the Modern Marvels on
WDW for the original construction cost in 1971 dollars.

 

[The_CEO]

I always thought they opted against expanding the monorail because of the logistical construction issues the resort would have to deal with.

Between this and the fact that it sadly isn't as practical as everyone hoped it would be. Yes it doesn't really have a carbon footprint, or pollute, but the electricity had to be harvested somehow.. Not to mention if one monorail breaks down, or has a delay, then the whole beam does.. I vote yay for putting these threads to rest. They have been discussed and discussed again and we all come to the same conclusion. It won't happen.

 

[Wilt Dasney]

I think the spirit of the idea is accurate...Disney won't expand the monorail because it costs too much. To a lot of people, $1 million/mile probably sounds plenty expensive. The details might be wrong, but the conclusion is the same.

 

[hwdelien]

It costs more than that to build a highway:

http://www-pam.usc.edu/volume2/v2i1a3s2.html

According to this article it can cost up to $1 billion/mile to build a highway in Boston.

 

[TTA-ATW]

TTA over Monorail

I wonder how much it would cost to use TTA style transportation throughout the park? I know its been brought up before and I'm sure its not plausible and only a pipe dream in the imagination of TTA fans & myself, but if I remember correctly the original EPCOT proposal used WEDway Peoplemovers extensively. Probably just a selling point to the state of Florida decision makers. Anybody have any info on cost of Peoplemover Tech?

*Side Note*
I love WDW Transportation! Once on arrival day I decided to go on a WDW Transportation "World Tour" I Started @ the boardwalk, Took a boat to Epcot, Took the Monorail to TTC, Monorail Resort Loop to MK, Took MKRR to Tomorrowland, Rode TTA, Back on MKRR Back to Main Street, Boat to GF for dinner. Bused to DAK for RPW Train and rode a bus all by myself with the driver (He let me give my own bus spiel with crazy rumors in true bus driver fashion) back to BW. One of My Fav WDW memories!:sohappy::sohappy::sohappy:

 

[marni1971]

WOOHOOO!!! It`s been over a month since we`ve had a monorail thread!

 

[devoy1701]

I think that WDW designers Post MK and Epcot decided to randomly put resorts/theme parks/water parks/sports complexes wherever possible to avoid having to expand the monorail anymore

WDW Fan:"can we expand the monorail to Animal Kingdom Lodge?"
Imagineer: "Sorry, Animal Kingdom, Blizzard Beach, Coronado Springs, trash compactors, fireworks depot, parkinglots, swamps, wildlife sanctuaries and sink holes all block the way...and an indirect route is too expensive...darn we should have planned this better..."


those sly dogs...

 

[devoy1701]

it's impossible to know every thread that gets posted on here if you have a life outside the forums (i don't even log on over the weekends)...and the seach isn't the easiest thing to use on here.

the regulars and those "in the know" on here always feel it's their job to decide what threads should stay or go as you, and if it's a topic they pass off as a non-discussion worthy subject they'll jump at the chance to announce that it is not important to them...as you can see in alot of their posts.

just weave through their comments...lots of people had interesting things to say on the subject so far...and I love talking about the monorail.

And I really do think the resort layout has been poorly planned.

:wave:

 

[nolatron]

I don't know if this has ever been brought up before, but I wonder about this aspect Monorail Vs. bus thing

A) How long (timewise) is the bus ride from MK to EPCOT?

B) How Many buses are usually running that route at the same time?

C) Average number of people per bus?

D) Average wait time between buses?


and then:

A) How long (timewise) is the monorail ride from MK to Epcot?

B) How monorails are usually on the beam running the route at the same time?

C) Average number of people per monorail?

D) Average wait time between monorails?

I'm curious to see a comparison between the logistics of bus vs. monorail for getting visitors from park to park.

Do buses shuttle more people in an hour? Or do the monorails? Which is actually more efficient at getting people moved?

While visitors (myself included) find the monorail a more attractive travel means, is it really more efficient?

 

[Monty]

I don't know if this has ever been brought up before, but I wonder about this aspect Monorail Vs. bus thing

A) How long (timewise) is the bus ride from MK to EPCOT?

B) How Many buses are usually running that route at the same time?

C) Average number of people per bus?

D) Average wait time between buses?


and then:

A) How long (timewise) is the monorail ride from MK to Epcot?

B) How monorails are usually on the beam running the route at the same time?

C) Average number of people per monorail?

D) Average wait time between monorails?

I'm curious to see a comparison between the logistics of bus vs. monorail for getting visitors from park to park.

Do buses shuttle more people in an hour? Or do the monorails? Which is actually more efficient at getting people moved?

While visitors (myself included) find the monorail a more attractive travel means, is it really more efficient?

I'm not 100% sure, but I don't believe there are any buses between EPCOT and MK precisely because there's the Monorail.

Which would, if I'm correct, make the comparison of which is more efficient moot.

 

[goodtimes5286]

What if some Disney fanatic from WDWMagic, bought 51% of Disney's stock, thus having the controlling shares and then can put whoever in as the CEO and have them do what they want like not selling off all Disney Property making Disney less and less magical (I mean the whole Lake Bunna Vista resorts were bad enough) AND expanding the monerail system to include ATLEAST all the parks. How much you think it costs?

 

[Master Yoda]

What if some Disney fanatic from WDWMagic, bought 51% of Disney's stock, thus having the controlling shares and then can put whoever in as the CEO and have them do what they want like not selling off all Disney Property making Disney less and less magical (I mean the whole Lake Bunna Vista resorts were bad enough) AND expanding the monerail system to include ATLEAST all the parks. How much you think it costs?

If we use other monorail systems that have been installed in various places around the United States in the last decade as a model the figure for a park to park monorail system could easily reach well into the billion dollar range.

 

[nolatron]

I'm not 100% sure, but I don't believe there are any buses between EPCOT and MK precisely because there's the Monorail.

Which would, if I'm correct, make the comparison of which is more efficient moot.

Well shoot. I thought they ran from the MK bus depot.

 

[goodtimes5286]

no no no, the cost of buying controlling shares in Disney's stock. I was trying to find out how much Disney stock is out there (and then you basically cut it in half, add 1, multiple times the current price per stock, and BOOM controlling shares price).

 

[Wilt Dasney]

no no no, the cost of buying controlling shares in Disney's stock. I was trying to find out how much Disney stock is out there (and then you basically cut it in half, add 1, multiple times the current price per stock, and BOOM controlling shares price).

According to the information here, there are 1.85 billion outstanding shares at $21.93 each. (That doesn't include shares repurchased by the company.)

If I've done the math right, half of those would set you back a mere 20 billion, 285 million buckeroos, or about 1/3 of a Bill Gates.

 

[mloradites]

I was on the backstage magic tour on Friday and Dena and Kris our guides said $1mil/mile was the original price, it was much more when they built the epcot expansion and now it's something like $30mil/.25 Miles or 1 mile (sorry can't remember) due to inflation and new building codes requiring bigger/deeper pylons and such.