DAK “Zootopia” is being created for the Tree of Life theater

[FettFan]

seems to think the only way for a park to be successful IS to solely make decisions based on the popularity of random movie IPs.

AKA Six Flags shoving DC and Looney Tunes characters all over the place.

"Batman: The Ride" (Inverted Roller Coasters):

• Six Flags Great America: (Gurnee, IL)
• Six Flags Magic Mountain: (Valencia, CA)
• Six Flags Great Adventure: (Jackson, NJ)
• Six Flags St. Louis: (Bridgeton, MO)
• Six Flags Over Georgia: (Atlanta, GA)
• Six Flags Over Texas: (Arlington, TX)
• Six Flags Fiesta Texas: (San Antonio, TX)

 

[donaldtoo]

AKA Six Flags shoving DC and Looney Tunes characters all over the place.

"Batman: The Ride" (Inverted Roller Coasters):

• Six Flags Great America: (Gurnee, IL)
• Six Flags Magic Mountain: (Valencia, CA)
• Six Flags Great Adventure: (Jackson, NJ)
• Six Flags St. Louis: (Bridgeton, MO)
• Six Flags Over Georgia: (Atlanta, GA)
• Six Flags Over Texas: (Arlington, TX)
• Six Flags Fiesta Texas: (San Antonio, TX)

I’ve been to both Texas Six Flags parks many times over the years, and I consider them “amusement parks”, not “theme parks”.
Unfortunately, with every passing year, Disney seems to be moving closer and closer to the amusement park model. Just sad.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

I’ve been to both Texas Six Flags parks many times over the years, and I consider them “amusement parks”, not “theme parks”.
Unfortunately, with every passing year, Disney seems to be moving closer and closer to the amusement park model. Just sad.

I cannot see that at all. There is nothing in Disneys current catalog, even the worst of it imo, that belongs anywhere near a Six Flags. Disney has still been releasing cutting edge animatronics/effects that Six Flags would never try and Disney has not done any unthemed thrilling coasters etc. There is still a theme to each section/park even if that theme has slightly differed from the opening day theme.

 

[donaldtoo]

I cannot see that at all. There is nothing in Disneys current catalog, even the worst of it imo, that belongs anywhere near a Six Flags. Disney has still been releasing cutting edge animatronics/effects that Six Flags would never try and Disney has not done any unthemed thrilling coasters etc. There is still a theme to each section/park even if that theme has slightly differed from the opening day theme.

 

[DonniePeverley]

What stops Disney from just copying the exact plans from Shanghai and reproducing the land in the US?


The attraction in Shanghai is maybe too screen based, but the land itself is brilliant

 

[The Leader of the Club]

What stops Disney from just copying the exact plans from Shanghai and reproducing the land in the US?


The attraction in Shanghai is maybe too screen based, but the land itself is brilliant

I think it’s just a matter of finding a location for it and getting it approved. There are so many layers of management that these projects have to go through. It just may not be as high on the priority list as these other projects.

MK has likely been pushing for a replacement for ROA.
DAK has been pushing for something in Dinoland.
DHS wanted a coaster to offset Slinky’s popularity.
Etc.

Ultimately these park needs get passed to WDI who design projects that fit those needs. Then those projects are pitched to park management. And then Vahle. And then D’Amaro. And they keep being pitched until they’re either killed or receive that green light. Zootopia (I believe) was killed as the Dinosaur replacement in favor of the (presumably) cheaper Indy pitch.

 

[WaltWiz1901]

What stops Disney from just copying the exact plans from Shanghai and reproducing the land in the US?

simple: it most likely has an exclusivity clause attached to it for the first few years of operation, so they legally wouldn't be able to for that period of time

and honestly, outside of maybe Hollywood Studios, I can't name a single spot in the domestic parks where a Zootopia land would go without feeling out of place. baby's first Imagineering pitch

 

[Cmdr_Crimson]

AKA Six Flags shoving DC and Looney Tunes characters all over the place.

"Batman: The Ride" (Inverted Roller Coasters):

• Six Flags Great America: (Gurnee, IL)
• Six Flags Magic Mountain: (Valencia, CA)
• Six Flags Great Adventure: (Jackson, NJ)
• Six Flags St. Louis: (Bridgeton, MO)
• Six Flags Over Georgia: (Atlanta, GA)
• Six Flags Over Texas: (Arlington, TX)
• Six Flags Fiesta Texas: (San Antonio, TX)

You have to admit the ad for the ride was amazing for the time with that great voice actor and how he says Disney in it.

I'm still trying to figure out his name but did a lot of Hot Rod Association ads.

 

[DonniePeverley]

nd honestly, outside of maybe Hollywood Studios, I can't name a single spot in the domestic parks where a Zootopia land would go without feeling out of place. baby's first Imagineering pitch

Utter nonsense of the highest order. You can place the land in a multitude of areas.

It would be cost effective, no need for planning, IP testing, etc

 

[peter11435]

Utter nonsense of the highest order. You can place the land in a multitude of areas.

It would be cost effective, no need for planning, IP testing, etc

Even if they copied the land “exactly” as it exists in Shanghai there would still be extensive need for planning. You can’t just use the same plans and build it here.

 

[Cmdr_Crimson]

Even if they copied the land “exactly” as it exists in Shanghai there would still be extensive need for planning. You can’t just use the same plans and build it here.

But, for example isn't Galaxy Edge the same Layout on both East & West Batuu's?

 

[DonniePeverley]

Even if they copied the land “exactly” as it exists in Shanghai there would still be extensive need for planning. You can’t just use the same plans and build it here.

Nonsense. There have been an endless list of lands/attractions that have been cloned from regions.

 

[peter11435]

But, for example isn't Galaxy Edge the same Layout on both East & West Batuu's?

It’s not exactly the same layout. But even if it was there would still need to be extensive planning and entirely new sets of plans.

 

[peter11435]

Nonsense. There have been an endless list of lands/attractions that have been cloned from regions.

I never said there haven’t been attractions cloned. I said that cloning would not mean there wouldn’t still be extensive need for planning. Even if they wanted to build an exact clone they would still need extensive planning and entirely new engineering drawings, plans, blueprints etc…

 

[DonniePeverley]

I never said there haven’t been attractions cloned. I said that cloning would not mean there wouldn’t still be extensive need for planning. Even if they wanted to build an exact clone they would still need extensive planning and entirely new engineering drawings, plans, blueprints etc…

New engineering plans?

Utter nonsense. Stop now.

 

[peter11435]

New engineering plans?

Utter nonsense. Stop now.

It’s not nonsense at all. It’s fact.

You keeping using the word nonsense in all of your posts but you’re the one who doesn’t know what their talking about.

Go back and look at construction photos of ToT in Paris when it was cloned from DCA. Just because they were clones doesn’t mean they were identical from an engineering standpoint.

Everything needs to be planned, designed, and engineered for its specific site, building codes, and regulations. These things can not simply be copied and pasted in a new location.

 

[lazyboy97o]

But, for example isn't Galaxy Edge the same Layout on both East & West Batuu's?

Yes, Galaxy’s Edge tried to do “design once, build twice” but that was planned and coordinated from the beginning. As much as possible they tried to meet California and Florida regulations at the same time, but even then they had to do some differences based on where it is impossible to harmonize the different codes. Then there were just some differences due to the different sites.

Other projects aren’t designed to meet different regulations. It doesn’t make sense to try and design something to meet six different code and site requirements. Even just in the US, California and Florida regularly update their building codes every three years, so any project not designed and built simultaneously like Galaxy’s Edge would most certainly be out of date by the time a decision to clone was made. The changes from cycle to cycle are not usually huge, but you still have to do the work to go through and at least check.

 

[Advisable Joseph]

If you want to say that they should change the theme, that's a different topic than insisting that cute cartoon animals were always the theme. The theme probably will shift at least somewhat to Disney IP because that's the way everything is going with the parks these days.

I'm saying the guests ultimately set the theme, not Joe Rohde. He just makes suggestions that the guests accept or reject.

Rohde suggested restricting cute animals*, and the guests have rejected that.

This is not about what I want; I'm just reporting polls and such from outside this echo chamber.

EDIT: *Sorta

 

[DisneyHead123]

I'm saying the guests ultimately set the theme, not Joe Rohde. He just makes suggestions that the guests accept or reject.

Rohde suggested restricting cute animals*, and the guests have rejected that.

This is not about what I want; I'm just reporting polls and such from outside this echo chamber.

EDIT: *Sorta

I mean they can suggest changing the theme now, in 2025. But of course the Imagineers set the original theme. They designed the park.

Honestly I don’t understand the need to not only change the theme but also insist that it’s in keeping with the original theme. If a person’s stance is “I don’t care about the OG theme, I’m team cute cartoon animals,” fine. No need to pretend that cute cartoon animals with accompanying popcorn buckets embody some kind of timeless AK theme. Not everything has to be deep - escapism is fine too.

 

[danlb_2000]

New engineering plans?

Utter nonsense. Stop now.

Shanghai and Florida have different building codes and even a small change to accomodate code could set off a domino effect of other changes.