DAK “Zootopia” is being created for the Tree of Life theater

WorldExplorer

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“The joke is he’s a cop… but he’s FAT…and he likes…get this….DONUTS.”

“Wow! That’s so deep!”

God this movie is terrible.

There's a part in there where he was telling Judy they told him to go work in the basement because they didn't want a predator greeting people, and I know that the movie wanted me to be upset at the injustice of it, but all I could think was "GOOD, get down there and don't come back up".
 

FettFan

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PThere's a part in there he was telling Judy they told him to go work in the basement because they didn't want a predator greeting people, and I know that the movie wanted me to be upset at the injustice of it, but all I could think was "GOOD, get down there and don't come back up".

The movie would have been so much better with a Predator.
Sci-Fi Hair Flip GIF
 

James Alucobond

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Bugs Life, Jungle Book, Lion King, and most IP do not fit that then.
Uh, yes they do. The animals in those stories both generally look like genuine animals (e.g. not excessively anthropomorphized, just cartoonishly stylized) and are shown to at least sometimes behave like animals. The only other criterion would be that, in their implementation in Animal Kingdom, their animal nature be emphasized, which is exactly what they did with the original A Bug's Life show.
 

AidenRodriguez731

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Jungle Book and Lion King absolutely fit that.

The animals are clearly animals in those films. Actual animals don't even exist in Zootopia; they're not remotely similar.
Lions don’t work with hyenas, there is no social hierarchy of a pride and that certainly does not pass down through kingship, they don’t work with hornbills, meerkats and warthogs aren’t friends and don’t wear hula clothes. They are abundantly clear that in zootopia, these are still animals. They’ve simply evolved past their previous ways and found harmony but as we can see through the main element of the movie, they can revert back to their ways. A show like this can be simple and “showing humans to be more like animals and come together” or something cheesy like that and imo still works and is a funny message. There’s plenty of ways to fit. Heck it could be a talent show where citizens of zootopia show off their unique abilities as they still all do have them.
 

peter11435

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Lions don’t work with hyenas, there is no social hierarchy of a pride and that certainly does not pass down through kingship, they don’t work with hornbills, meerkats and warthogs aren’t friends and don’t wear hula clothes. They are abundantly clear that in zootopia, these are still animals. They’ve simply evolved past their previous ways and found harmony but as we can see through the main element of the movie, they can revert back to their ways. A show like this can be simple and “showing humans to be more like animals and come together” or something cheesy like that and imo still works and is a funny message. There’s plenty of ways to fit. Heck it could be a talent show where citizens of zootopia show off their unique abilities as they still all do have them.
Umm… lions absolutely do have social hierarchy within prides.

Show me where Simba is shown driving a car and using a phone and then maybe you’ll have a point.
 

AidenRodriguez731

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Umm… lions absolutely do have social hierarchy within prides.

Show me where Simba is shown driving a car and using a phone and then maybe you’ll have a point.
You know what I meant. It’s about the specific one shown where it passed through the bloodline through families.

I’ll shown you that when you show me a meerkat “dressing in drag and doing the Hula” irl as real animal based behavior
 

peter11435

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You know what I meant. It’s about the specific one shown where it passed through the bloodline through families.

I’ll shown you that when you show me a meerkat “dressing in drag and doing the Hula” irl as real animal based behavior
If you can’t see the difference between a film like the Lion King and a film like Zootopia then I don’t think you’ll ever understand the theme of Animal Kingdom either.
 

DisneyHead123

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You know what I meant. It’s about the specific one shown where it passed through the bloodline through families.

I’ll shown you that when you show me a meerkat “dressing in drag and doing the Hula” irl as real animal based behavior

Joe Rohde has talked about the fact that the original AK was meant to be based on the real world and real animals, even “photorealistic”, and not based in fantasy narratives the way the other parks often are. The idea being, I think, that this is the only way to truly represent nature for what it really is. Fantasy is created for human enjoyment, nature is discovered for what it is, whether we like what we see or not. Fantasy is a predictable safe space, nature happens on its own terms.

That said, I do think that AK has already migrated away from this original vision a bit. Some of the spirit is being maintained, especially aesthetically, but there’s no way one can say that Indy and Encanto embody a gritty, real world POV on the unpredictability of nature and the need for conservation. Maybe they speak to this topic metaphorically, or as one facet of many, but there’s clearly a “world built just for you” element there, in direct contrast to the original “see the world as it really is” message from early on.

I’m not opposed to compromise if that’s what’s needed to convey a message most effectively. I feel like you have to meet people where they’re at. That said, it does bug me when there’s this pretense that this was the original thinking all along. The criteria was never “somewhat more realistic looking cartoon animals vs. cartoon animals drinking lattes.”
 

ParadoxPortals

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Joe Rohde has talked about the fact that the original AK was meant to be based on the real world and real animals, even “photorealistic”, and not based in fantasy narratives the way the other parks often are. The idea being, I think, that this is the only way to truly represent nature for what it really is. Fantasy is created for human enjoyment, nature is discovered for what it is, whether we like what we see or not. Fantasy is a predictable safe space, nature happens on its own terms.

That said, I do think that AK has already migrated away from this original vision a bit. Some of the spirit is being maintained, especially aesthetically, but there’s no way one can say that Indy and Encanto embody a gritty, real world POV on the unpredictability of nature and the need for conservation. Maybe they speak to this topic metaphorically, or as one facet of many, but there’s clearly a “world built just for you” element there, in direct contrast to the original “see the world as it really is” message from early on.

I’m not opposed to compromise if that’s what’s needed to convey a message most effectively. I feel like you have to meet people where they’re at. That said, it does bug me when there’s this pretense that this was the original thinking all along. The criteria was never “somewhat more realistic looking cartoon animals vs. cartoon animals drinking lattes.”
I feel like once Dinoland closes fully and Zootopia arrives, the park will truly be theme-less, or at least a thematic mess.

Animal Kingdom's themes are conservation, the power of nature (animals and the environment) over human constructions and existence, and transformation through adventure and discovery (getting a "personal call to action"). Also, Animal Kingdom needs animals of the past (1), present (2), and fantasy (3) to meet its remit.

When Everest and Pandora arrived AK had finally fulfilled all 3 of its animal criteria. Now that Dinoland is going we'll have no animals of the past, and in fact the Tropical Americas is only going to oversaturate the park with fantastical animals. We know now that the small animal exhibits have been cut for a playground there so that sucks, and its not like we're gonna be a non-IP extinct wooly mammoth ride anytime soon, so the park is back to missing some of its animals.

Zootopia in no way matches any of themes mentioned above (conservation, nature over humans, personal growth through discovery), and in fact it exists to overwrite the presents of insects in the park, an extremely important part of the real-life animal kingdom and circle of life.

IMO we need a Zootopia Tree of Life replacement ASAP (I know we're not getting one for decades though), some new extinct creatures presence in the park (I'm thinking not dinos but maybe wooly mammoths or something), and the protection of existing animal exhibits in the park (don't let Kilimanjaro lose animal enclosure space to future expansions!). Oh and add some animals to the Tropical Americas please haha. We used to have crocodiles there during Dinoland times. :(
 

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