DAK 'Encanto' and 'Indiana Jones'-themed experiences at Animal Kingdom

[TrainsOfDisney]

Boy I feel horrible for the Imagineers who worked on the Epcot rework because I swear nobody is ever gonna let them live the finished product down.

Eh…. I don’t feel bad for Tony Baxter with Tomorrowland. Imagineers make mistakes for all different reasons.

But the company should fix those mistakes.

 

[_caleb]

Even though it was done on the cheap at $150M and add a conservative $50M for marketing - likely $75M, it needs $400M to break even. It’s going to wind up loosing money, despite the cherry-picking done by others to tell you $88M opening is the best ever…for an original IP from over a decade ago when movie tickets where 50% cheaper.

I'm no math wiz, but

 

[monothingie]

I'm no math wiz, but

Studios take back around 50% of the domestic theater revenue. Less internationally like in China which is 25%.

A movie that cost $200M to market and make needs $400M in gross to break even.

 

[Prince-1]

I am so hype for Encanto.

I am so hype for Indiana Jones.

I am so hype for reviving the old Tropical Americas concept.

Animal Kingdom is going to be FLAWLESS.

I guarantee they’re doing a drone and fountain show too.

Flawless??? Um, ok!

 

[Chi84]

James Taylor.

I thought it was Justin Timberlake.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

James Taylor.

…always smooth

 

[HMF]

And aren't all Disney films moralistic in some way (some might even say, "preachy")? Do you have a problem with all cautionary tales, morals-of-the-story, and lessons learned, or just the ones you're predisposed against?

They certainly used to. I firmly believe something like Hunchback for example would likely never be made today because people would be offended by some of the more serious and adult themes in it never mind its condemnation of hypocrisy.

 

[HMF]

Eh…. I don’t feel bad for Tony Baxter with Tomorrowland. Imagineers make mistakes for all different reasons.

But the company should fix those mistakes.

As I have said before nearly every second Gen Imagineer has worked on at least one or two not so well-received projects.

 

[FettFan]

Lemme tell you about my Darby O'Gill and the Little People ride idea and which park it most definitely should not go into!!!!

Why not? It would be far better than the Mary Poppins Reboot Tea Party that was planned for Epcot.

 

[gorillaball]

I can't speak for others on this site, but I can tell you that my not wanting an Encanto attraction in Animal Kingdom has nothing to do with me disliking the movie (I'm not a huge fan of it, but I thought it was alright), the people who made it, or its message.

Can you tell us why you don’t want it then? I don’t think I’ve heard that yet.

Just kidding around. I know you were making a point about it having nothing to do w the the people or it’s message.

 

[BrianLo]

Why not? It would be far better than the Mary Poppins Reboot Tea Party that was planned for Epcot.

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This is the first time I have seen there, not sure how!

Chapek really doesn’t hold up well in retrospect, this was his signature one-more -thing announcement of D23 2019. Way to bury the lead.

 

[Casper Gutman]

The level of discourse is really falling on these boards. We need to enforce bans on AI slop and encourage posters not to fill threads with poorly written and argued shouting matches devoid of content.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

This is the first time I have seen there, not sure how!

Chapek really doesn’t hold up well in retrospect, this was his signature one-more -thing announcement of D23 2019. Way to bury the lead.

It was going to have an extensive, indoor queue and be fully enclosed.

Quite a lot of space and expense for a spinner.

 

[The Mom]

Any further off topic posts will be deleted. Bickering posts have been deleted.

 

[danlb_2000]

JT? That you?

 

[Pizza Moon]

all that may turn out to be pretty of good of course, but far from Flawless when you have slop like zootopia instead of a really good quality attraction. And while not mentioned above I'm not buying the preschool bluey stuff being shoehorned in either, it’s getting to where might as well call it toddlerkingdom. No comment on the last sentence.

Serious question, what percentage of people visiting Animal Kingdom go to Conservation Station?

The whole concept is literally designed for kids, the train, the petting zoo. It’s like a better Tom Sawyer’s Island.

When my baby cousins go to Animal Kingdom, they’re going to love Bluey there; it’s actually a good kids show, totally different than so much of the slop today, which is probably why it’s so popular, so yeah, it’s a needed change.

If they took over the Tree of Life Theater with Bluey I’d complain, just like I’ve blasted Zootopia: Better Zoogether.

I think ITTBAB needed an update or a new IP, it frankly was really cool, but its target demographic really wasn’t into it, but they didn’t need to make a clip show to replace it.

It’s also sad we lost big representation, so I hope they add small big exhibit or dinosaur fossils throughout the park (like you could have fossils from say a native species to Asia or Africa).

Not that they’d do it, but it’d be cool.

Encanto is happening because they need a family ride too, so, while we could just get a Mystic Manor clone with changes, its budget is probably double that they could’ve justified for that, and I think Encanto actually would work exceedingly well as a ride, not all IPs translate well, but I think it will.

Indiana Jones is just correcting what they should’ve done from the start.

 

[Pizza Moon]

Flawless??? Um, ok!

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I remember people b****ing about Pandora before it opened too.

 

[denyuntilcaught]

Studios take back around 50% of the domestic theater revenue. Less internationally like in China which is 25%.

A movie that cost $200M to market and make needs $400M in gross to break even.

Apologies for the sidetrack...

As a hardcore rule, yes. Speaking as someone who works in entertainment:

Disney has a partnership with most major distributors that makes it so the distribution isn't a hard 50/50 split knowing that most Disney films put butts in seats, so the math is slightly off.

Also, theatrical budgeting has shifted post-pandemic to where box office isn't the only metric of success anymore - that's just a first-window proof point. VOD sales and sometimes merch sales within a certain timeframe are now factored into how a film breaks even and considered when films are scoped for green lighting.

 

[monothingie]

Apologies for the sidetrack...

As a hardcore rule, yes. Speaking as someone who works in entertainment:

Disney has a partnership with most major distributors that makes it so the distribution isn't a hard 50/50 split knowing that most Disney films put butts in seats, so the math is slightly off.

Also, theatrical budgeting has shifted post-pandemic to where box office isn't the only metric of success anymore - that's just a first-window proof point. VOD sales and sometimes merch sales within a certain timeframe are now factored into how a film breaks even and considered when films are scoped for green lighting.

Whatever discrepancies are accounted for with international taking back more. 50% is an accepted rule of thumb.

PVOD has a minimal factor because there simply isn't enough interest in most recent Disney productions to have consumers not just wait a couple of more days for it to show up on D+.

 

[denyuntilcaught]

Whatever discrepancies are accounted for with international taking back more. 50% is an accepted rule of thumb.

PVOD has a minimal factor because there simply isn't enough interest in most recent Disney productions to have consumers not just wait a couple of more days for it to show up on D+.

I hear you, but I'm speaking from having experience working directly with cinema distributors globally. 50% is absolutely accepted rule of thumb. Disney is a bit atypical when you get in the weeds here.

And the VOD statement is completely undermining the entire reason why cinema has continued to struggle holistically post-pandemic.

The film will break even - M&A was closer to $60MM with a digital mix and use of scatter, thank goodness.