DAK 'Encanto' and 'Indiana Jones'-themed experiences at Animal Kingdom

[eddie104]

Also some Tropical Americas aerial pictures

Thank you for getting this thread back on track instead of endlessly complaining about the same thing.

The queue for the attraction has started that’s exciting to see.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Oh, allow me to put it right "off track" again then.

Encanto is a bad fit for Disney's Animal Kingdom..

Real talk, what are you trying to achieve?

Any arguments have been repeated verbatim already. It's clear you're not going to change your mind. No one who thinks it does fit is going to change their mind. Disney is not going to change their mind. The project has the stamp of approval from Joe Rohde even though he has no real skin in the game here. Saying this is worthless, even less than worthless as it covers up any actual meaningful discussion.

 

[Tom Morrow]

Real talk, what are you trying to achieve?

Any arguments have been repeated verbatim already. It's clear you're not going to change your mind. No one who thinks it does fit is going to change their mind. Disney is not going to change their mind. The project has the stamp of approval from Joe Rohde even though he has no real skin in the game here. Saying this is worthless, even less than worthless as it covers up any actual meaningful discussion.

If I and those who agree with me can snap even a few people out of the Disney Adult mindset, the IP worshipping, "I can only enjoy things that allow me to (point at Thing I Recognize)" delusion and realize how badly Disney is actually tarnishing their parks, then it's worth it.

Disney's marketing team has spent a decade now getting people forget that the parks used to be more than hodge-podges of random IP synergy efforts that had no cohesiveness, and too many have fallen for it and actually forgotten.

More importantly, discussion threads are for discussing everything regarding the topic, and one person doesn't get to make the call silence others because they personally don't like it.

Also, Joe Rohde said he wanted a Tropical Americas land, he did not say he wanted an Encanto ride in DAK.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I will say this…. If given free range - do you think Joe would have plopped down a Disney IP carousel, an Encanto ride, and an Indy retheme and called it Tropical Americas?

Do you think what he would have created with the same budget would be better and more “on theme” with the park?

That being said…. I’m not 100% against this like I am with the riverboat and muppets. I don’t see Encanto being THAT off-theme. I’d certainly rather have that than more zootopia.

And an Encanto dark ride actually interests me - unlike door coaster or cars road rally.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

But we live in the real world with budgets, demand, and Joe Rohde no longer full time working at Imagineering.

I said “with the same budget”

 

[gorillaball]

I will say this…. If given free range - do you think Joe would have plopped down a Disney IP carousel, an Encanto ride, and an Indy retheme and called it Tropical Americas?

Do you think what he would have created with the same budget would be better and more “on theme” with the park?

That being said…. I’m not 100% against this like I am with the riverboat and muppets. I don’t see Encanto being THAT off-theme. I’d certainly rather have that than more zootopia.

And an Encanto dark ride actually interests me - unlike door coaster or cars road rally.

No I do not think Joe would choose that. And yes I do think it would be more on theme and I’d be all for it.

But… that decision has been made, what, 2 yrs ago?

Life is short people, quit focusing on the bad cards someone dealt you 2 years ago.

Every day that passes is a chance to change it all. Control things that you can control and let others worry about those which you can’t.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

I said “with the same budget”

Honestly with the same budget and expectations, I could see it

 

[Tom Morrow]

As people have made very clear. They don’t see it your way.

Im sorry but many in this thread have also made it clear that they DO see it my way. You’re choosing to ignore them.

A lot of the people who want this attraction, have wanted an Encanto attraction and more stuff for AK.

So put an Encanto attraction somewhere it fits.m and give DAK things that fit organically and not just superficially.

Again, Joe stating he wanted a Tropical Americas land (which makes sense) doesn’t at all mean he agrees with an Encanto ride being put in it.

Again, what if I told you they could do both of these things in a way that suits DAK instead of just being a favorable bullletpoint to show the shareholders?

 

[Chi84]

Im sorry but many in this thread have also made it clear that they DO see it my way. You’re choosing to ignore them.


So put an Encanto attraction somewhere it fits.m and give DAK things that fit organically and not just superficially.


Again, Joe stating he wanted a Tropical Americas land (which makes sense) doesn’t at all mean he agrees with an Encanto ride being put in it.


Again, what if I told you they could do both of these things in a way that suits DAK instead of just being a favorable bullletpoint to show the shareholders?


And you keep “brute-forcing” your opinion that everyone should just accept the Disney brand loyalist alignment and be happy that the aspects of the parks they loved are being removed.

What do you want from people at this point in the process? Do something? Feel a particular way? Or just keep saying whether or not they agree with you?

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Honestly with the same budget and expectations, I could see it

You keep changing what I said -

“Free range with the same budget” was the question. Do you think we would get something better and more on-theme with the park?

 

[Timothy_Q]

The texture swatches are always fun, especially when you can pinpoint exactly what it is

The entrance arch is gonna look gorgeous

 

[sedati]

I asked Bio and he agrees that the large gray forms at the top may not be tests, but seem to be the Indy Temple being build in pieces to be assembled later on site.

 

[Tom Morrow]

What do you want from people at this point in the process? Do something? Feel a particular way? Or just keep saying whether or not they agree with you?

Obviously it’s too late to change this. But we can try to raise awareness and attempt to sway public opinion that, yes, maybe Disney should be respecting the legacy and purpose of their parks instead of appeasing shareholders.

Ever since Disney got on this IP onslaught of “More TiMeLeSs. More DISNEY” there has been a coordinated effort from them to convince the public that the parks were always like this and that parks having unique themes and meanings doesn’t matter. Many have fallen for it and repeat tired, false talking points like “attractions with IP that kids don’t recognize need to go”. But the discourse has started to shift. For instance I fully expected everyone to eat up Better Zoogether, instead it has been almost universally panned by everyone but the most mindless of Disney Adults.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

maybe Disney should be respecting the legacy and purpose of their parks instead of appeasing shareholders.

It’s not even that - Iger does not understand the parks at all.

I’m sad he was able to sign off on these projects before Josh got in the seat.

 

[ToEarthandback]

Im sorry but many in this thread have also made it clear that they DO see it my way. You’re choosing to ignore them.


So put an Encanto attraction somewhere it fits.m and give DAK things that fit organically and not just superficially.


Again, Joe stating he wanted a Tropical Americas land (which makes sense) doesn’t at all mean he agrees with an Encanto ride being put in it.


Again, what if I told you they could do both of these things in a way that suits DAK instead of just being a favorable bullletpoint to show the shareholders?


And you keep “brute-forcing” your opinion that everyone should just accept the Disney brand loyalist alignment and be happy that the aspects of the parks they loved are being removed.

But how many times can say the same thing over and over?

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

First time I realized that the tropical Americas arch will be set back much further than Dinoland - so the bridge and walkway toward Nemo will be “no theme land”

That’s not good or bad… just the first time I’ve noticed that.

 

[Tha Realest]

The project has the stamp of approval from Joe Rohde even though he has no real skin in the game here.

the guy they keep bringing back to mentor Imagineers and give presentations and has a new book being published by Disney, about his Disney career, has no “skin in the game”?

 

[Tom Morrow]

But how many times can say the same thing over and over?

Whenever people try to silence it by insinuating that it’s actually totally fine and everyone who isn’t embracing the IP onslaught diluting the purpose of each park is just hating any kind of change rather than that specific type of change.

 

[sedati]

But how many times can say the same thing over and over?

It's like when Ian Malcom complained about how many dinosaurs there were on the dinosaur tour. Not nearly enough domestic cats.

The IP mandate came along with the massive expansion of what the Disney brand now contains. Between Disney, Pixar, Star Wars, Marvel, Nat-Geo, the Muppets, Twentieth Century, Etc, they've got all their bases covered. There shouldn't be a project conceivable that can't at least be loosely tied to one of these and hopefully sell some merch. To me this is much preferable to going back to the model of allowing an outside company (whose "world" you did not pay to enter) drastically alter imagineer plans and concepts to suit their corporate needs. Rides whose pre and post shows are not world building scenes, but advertisements.

And yes, I believe these are now the only two choices. Projects are too expensive and risky. It is not unreasonable for Disney to seek synergy within itself.

One thing regarding their approach is that while there is clearly an IP mandate, it allows great flexibility for original concepts within that restriction. I think both "Star Tours" and "Temple of the Forbidden Eye" laid down the new standard by introducing IP attractions that are not a third-person retelling, but a new first-person narrative. These are our adventures within that world. Imagineers are able to create their own scenarios, places, characters, etc. Sadly, it is often these imagineer created aspects that are the most derided.

Alien Encounter was okay. I think "Alien" Encounter would have been better (At the studios as it would have put more children into therapy)

I'm not saying it's ideal. Just understandable. And not nearly as restrictive as one may think.

Also, for guests unfamiliar with the IP of a specific attraction, is that still an IP attraction as far as they are concerned? Is it then not wholly original to them? And does a guest who watched "The African Queen" consider Jungle Cruise an IP attraction?

 

[lazyboy97o]

The IP mandate came along with the massive expansion of what the Disney brand now contains.

No, it did not. It was squarely about the theme parks not being considered a core business by Iger. It was solidified with the very successful opening of the Nondescript Roller Coaster Themed Like India or Whatever. It was squarely about Iger not understanding why people would like anything else and maybe being able to charge higher licensing fees if he was able to offload the parks.