DAK 'Encanto' and 'Indiana Jones'-themed experiences at Animal Kingdom

AidenRodriguez731

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Could you imagine if Walt had applied this kind of thinking before deciding to build Disneyland?

"Aw.. there's already a popular park down the road.. might as well not even bother, I guess.."

It's actually straight up pathetic that modern WDW is like, "Aw man.. I guess that means it's just not possible to build a better Dinosaur-land than the one we have or the one they've got.."
Or more accurate, in this new modern age, people have to compare things and make 2 hr long videos about why Wizarding World vs Star Wars or Pandora or whatever so Disney took the more reasonable route. Like sure they COULD have went through and dug up the excavator coaster to build and it would have been epic. But no matter how good it was, it still wouldn’t beat velocicoaster in most minds
 

TheMaxRebo

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Could you imagine if Walt had applied this kind of thinking before deciding to build Disneyland?

"Aw.. there's already a popular park down the road.. might as well not even bother, I guess.."

It's actually straight up pathetic that modern WDW is like, "Aw man.. I guess that means it's just not possible to build a better Dinosaur-land than the one we have or the one they've got.."

But they have hundreds of other properties ... I mean, if they come up with a great dinosaur property then sure but why force it?

And part of what Walt did was to do things different - it wasn't do what other did and try to do better, it was a different take, breakthroughs, etc. he also changed things, cut things when they weren't working
 

James Alucobond

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However, I keep seeing this idea perpetuated that Animal Kingdom isn't about animals (?) or instead is more broadly about nature and animals are just one element of that. I can see where people are coming from on this but it's not accurate.
I don't think I've seen many if any people say that. They've just said that animals alone are not the path to cohesion with the park. It's about animals viewed through a very specific thematic lens. That's why Rohde has been very explicit about anthropomorphized animals generally not fitting, for instance.
 

TheMaxRebo

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I don't think I've seen many if any people say that. They've just said that animals alone are not the path to cohesion with the park. It's about animals viewed through a very specific thematic lens. That's why Rohde has been very explicit about anthropomorphized animals generally not fitting, for instance.

Yup, the "no pants" rule (other than for Mickey and Friends)
 

DavidDL

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But they have hundreds of other properties ... I mean, if they come up with a great dinosaur property then sure but why force it?

And part of what Walt did was to do things different - it wasn't do what other did and try to do better, it was a different take, breakthroughs, etc. he also changed things, cut things when they weren't working

What would really be "doing things different" nowadays would be proving that Disney still has it in them to create a beautiful, successful land without needing to rely on an IP.

Dinosaurs are some of the most recognizable, beloved and fascinating animals to ever walk our planet. They lend themselves perfectly to the "animals past" in the park's mission statement. They still resonate and create a sense of wonder with children and adults all over the world. Dinosaurs have zero issue "working" with modern audiences and they are not a problem.

I'm also not saying Disney needed to keep the tacky Dino-Rama or even the DINOSAUR attraction as it stands today to try and "force" modern audiences to love them, either. Heaven knows they were in need of an update or at least a major refurbishment. But cutting dinosaurs (the creatures, not the movie) from the park entirely and refusing to think "big" or "creatively" with them as a popular species by re-imagining what a modern dinosaur land could look like (doing something different, as you say) or showing them the love they deserve and instead plopping yet another Indiana Jones ride over them (gosh, I wonder how long it took them to come up with that one!) while simultaneously shoving mega-merch-hit, Encanto next door isn't a "breakthrough" in creativity.

In fact, it's the opposite. It's lazy, it's safe and quite frankly at this point, it's boring. Disney will never again allow their Imagineers to create the next true "breakthrough" attraction capable of taking on a life of it's own a la Haunted Mansion or Pirates of the Caribbean because they are still too busy copying Universal's "Established IP is King" mandate.
 

Gremlin Gus

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AidenRodriguez731

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What would really be "doing things different" nowadays would be proving that Disney still has it in them to create a beautiful, successful land without needing to rely on an IP.

Dinosaurs are some of the most recognizable, beloved and fascinating animals to ever walk our planet. They lend themselves perfectly to the "animals past" in the park's mission statement. They still resonate and create a sense of wonder with children and adults all over the world. Dinosaurs have zero issue "working" with modern audiences and they are not a problem.

I'm also not saying Disney needed to keep the tacky Dino-Rama or even the DINOSAUR attraction as it stands today to try and "force" modern audiences to love them, either. Heaven knows they were in need of an update or at least a major refurbishment. But cutting dinosaurs (the creatures, not the movie) from the park entirely and refusing to think "big" or "creatively" with them as a popular species by re-imagining what a modern dinosaur land could look like (doing something different, as you say) or showing them the love they deserve and instead plopping yet another Indiana Jones ride over them (gosh, I wonder how long it took them to come up with that one!) while simultaneously shoving mega-merch-hit, Encanto next door isn't a "breakthrough" in creativity.

In fact, it's the opposite. It's lazy, it's safe and quite frankly at this point, it's boring. Disney will never again allow their Imagineers to create the next true "breakthrough" attraction capable of taking on a life of it's own a la Haunted Mansion or Pirates of the Caribbean because they are still too busy copying Universal's "Established IP is King" mandate.
Honestly, redoing Dinoland USA is a stupid idea. Like it makes genuinely no business sense whatsoever. This generation and the generations coming up are INCREDIBLY nostalgia based. Look at all of the sequels coming out for proof, even if they're not good they are MONEY MAKERS. They are successful and people eat them up. They're running a business. They have an opportunity in a land that is fairly universally disliked in the grand scheme of things and have 2 options.

1. Replace it with their HEAVILY popular IP (2 of them in fact) and have a whole summers worth of new guests (seriously look at how fast days sold out for the parade) that also solves the cheeky problem of Lin wanting a ride before continuing a sequel, fits well enough, and gives a much needed people eater to this park. It would also add in super popular meet and greets for kids and adults alike if they wanted to and a new cuisine type of AK's stacked line up.

or

2. Try again with an unsuccessful idea hoping this time it will go better and have to advertise (this summer see the thing that was already here before... but better!) And have to deal with people comparing everything they build to jurassic park and the velociocoaster. No matter how different they are, if Disney wanted to build a rollercoaster here it would be Disney's Dinosaur Coaster vs Universal's Dinosaur Coaster (but with a super popular movie attached to it)


Simply put, the people have spoken. These ideas weren't fished out of nowhere. Disney has all the data, they see the trends and the surveys. Dinoland was a weakly rated land. These 2 IP are essentially guaranteed successes. Why would you try again on an idea that didn't work and spend a HUGE gamble on tearing everything down and restarting it again with the same theme and less to advertise?

If Disney wants to go back with animals of the past, they do currently own a fairly profitable series that is trying to make a comeback that would lend itself better to theme parks and great for kids...
 

Agent H

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I love dinoland U.S.A. It is one of my favorite theme park lands. It’s a completely unique and original idea and I am sad to see it go. There will never be another land like it ever again. That said it never connected with the majority of people. For the average guest any dinosaur land will always be compared Jurassic Park. A land based on a franchise that has a fan base that spans generations. Sometimes you just have to give up and try a different idea. No matter how good the original idea was.
 

Brer Panther

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Two dinosaur movies failed to catch on.
The Princess and the Frog "failed to catch on" too (it wasn't a flop, it just didn't make as much money as Disney was expecting because they gave it a lousy release date and they brushed it off as a flop because it was - horror of horrors - not CGI) but that still got a ride. Of course, we all know why THAT is...
But cutting dinosaurs (the creatures, not the movie) from the park entirely and refusing to think "big" or "creatively" with them as a popular species by re-imagining what a modern dinosaur land could look like (doing something different, as you say) or showing them the love they deserve and instead plopping yet another Indiana Jones ride over them (gosh, I wonder how long it took them to come up with that one!) while simultaneously shoving mega-merch-hit, Encanto next door isn't a "breakthrough" in creativity.

In fact, it's the opposite. It's lazy, it's safe and quite frankly at this point, it's boring. Disney will never again allow their Imagineers to create the next true "breakthrough" attraction capable of taking on a life of it's own a la Haunted Mansion or Pirates of the Caribbean because they are still too busy copying Universal's "Established IP is King" mandate.
Word. Wizarding World did a lot of damage to the Disney parks, just not for the reason everyone thinks.
 

Bocabear

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Wizarding World was beautifully designed and more immersive than anything that Disney has done for WDW... Disney tries to do it but then flubs it...A Star Wars theme land that includes lo location anyone ever saw, and none of the legacy characters, Pandora again with an unknown location, and not enough to be engaging... Maybe part of it is the choice of IP and using one that really has a sense of place... Wizarding World has a lot of recognizable areas, Great shopping and F&B. I also think the franchise has a little more power than the latest regurgitation of a Toy Story Land or the Avatar franchise.
I feel like WDW needs to bring back better thematic shopping like Wizarding World has done... Stop doing the generic Disney merchandise stores in the parks... Let the charmless World Of Disney handle that... Better merch, thengs you can't pick up at Wal-Mart. Things attached to an attraction... When TOT first opened the Gift Shop was full of Hollywood Tower Hotel merch that looked exactly like things you wuld find at a world class hotel. Nicely designed merchandise, and very few of the tacky T-shirt and plastic toy crap. At the time (early 90s) I saw lots of people buying things... I bought a few things too...which I rarely do. Nowadays I go into these more-generic-by-the-minute shops and lose interest almost immediately...If they focused on better goods and more of a shopping experience VS a cattle call, that would be great....
 

Charlie The Chatbox Ghost

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I'm worried that this has opened the floodgates to build more attractions based on IPs that don't fit in Animal Kingdom. The suggestions of putting Moana in the park are bad enough, but the other day I saw somebody on Instagram, for example, suggest replacing Rafiki's Planet Watch with an Elemental attraction. Do we even SEE any animals in Elemental?
This might sound mean, but like 90% of the ideas that fans come up with are just… awful. They, like current management, just think of a movie and try to slap it somewhere at random. I’ve seen someone say they should add Coco to Big Thunder Mountain because it would “make it better since no one knows what movie Big Thunder is based on”. Ignoring the fact that not a single scene in Coco looks anything like BTM, the assumption that everything is based on a movie says a lot about where we’re at.
 

Charlie The Chatbox Ghost

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Something like Zootopia at DAK is the opposite. It seems like it would be great on the surface because... animals... but it really falls apart once you go any bit deeper. (Much like the many of the newest attractions with strange placement.)
I’ve always thought Zootopia was a bad fit for AK because nothing in the movie has anything to truly do with animals or conservation- it’s a story about human problems, specifically racism, wrapped in an animal based metaphor. The animal stuff is just essentially visual gags.
 

AidenRodriguez731

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Wizarding World was beautifully designed and more immersive than anything that Disney has done for WDW... Disney tries to do it but then flubs it...A Star Wars theme land that includes lo location anyone ever saw, and none of the legacy characters, Pandora again with an unknown location, and not enough to be engaging... Maybe part of it is the choice of IP and using one that really has a sense of place... Wizarding World has a lot of recognizable areas, Great shopping and F&B. I also think the franchise has a little more power than the latest regurgitation of a Toy Story Land or the Avatar franchise.
I feel like WDW needs to bring back better thematic shopping like Wizarding World has done... Stop doing the generic Disney merchandise stores in the parks... Let the charmless World Of Disney handle that... Better merch, thengs you can't pick up at Wal-Mart. Things attached to an attraction... When TOT first opened the Gift Shop was full of Hollywood Tower Hotel merch that looked exactly like things you wuld find at a world class hotel. Nicely designed merchandise, and very few of the tacky T-shirt and plastic toy crap. At the time (early 90s) I saw lots of people buying things... I bought a few things too...which I rarely do. Nowadays I go into these more-generic-by-the-minute shops and lose interest almost immediately...If they focused on better goods and more of a shopping experience VS a cattle call, that would be great....
Seems like Wizarding Worlds are the only lands Universal can make without severe problems anymore 😉
 

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