MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[Tha Realest]

Not that any of us know… but have the attendance numbers changed drastically for the riverboat or island?

“Riverboat” is not a term explicitly defined under the Florida Statutes. Please try again.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Most of the issues you post were issues with its most recent state after decades of decline. Not it's intended.

The lack of a theme that people care about due to the decline?

The difficulty in doing major renovations too?

The fact that people don't want to go on it and won't spend that much time to do so?

No, those aren't due to the decline. It's due to it being an island in the middle of a theme park, surrounded by a river in the middle of a land with very few popular IPs

 

[osian]

The idea of a kids exploration area, caves, fort to play around in etc will never date, it's not about IPs. IPs only matter to the Disney corporation, they've lost sight of what childhood is about.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

The idea of a kids exploration area, caves, fort to play around in etc will never date, it's not about IPs. IPs only matter to the Disney corporation, they've lost sight of what childhood is about.

Okay yes, but should we take 14 acres for a play place when there are definitely better uses for that space? Kids were having a BLAST on the playplace in Epcot in Future World when I was there. MK could definitely have a more efficient and better play place that doesn't require carving out atleast an hour of your day for you kid to play there for a bit. I mean people are complaining on the other thread about TSL taking up too much space for only having 3 attractions but this takes up way more, in a much more populated park, with terrible capacity, and for less attractions that are PROVEN to be unpopular

 

[Tha Realest]

Okay yes, but should we take 14 acres for a play place when there are definitely better uses for that space?

Here’s the thing: they didn’t have to “take 14 acres for a play place” - that was already built and allocated.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Here’s the thing: they didn’t have to “take 14 acres for a play place” - that was already built and allocated.

Here's the thing: that was built over 50 years ago now. The parks needs were very different than what they are now. A TON more people are visiting than before where it made sense to duplicate something like this from Disneyland, heck it was fairly cheap and at the time had more attractions with in it. Now, low rider attendance has shown that people do not really care about the river as much as they might've in the past.

Look at the difference in crowds for ITTBAB, Muppet Vision, heck even Triceratops Spin when they all closed. Most people never even bothered to show up for the ROA because the average person does not care as much as most people here. This is the minority. If an attraction can't even 800 people an hour to even bother to wait in line, is it really worth that much space? Hell, Gran Fiesta tour has better ridership, even the damn teacups do.

 

[JSchnitz]

Just to add, there is/was(?) a kids play spot between Tiana’s and the Railroad Station there in Frontierland.
Also, I feel the last day wasn’t as crowded for the Rivers of America closings because many people had already said their goodbyes a month earlier when they came to do the same for Muppets.

 

[CoastalElite64]

The new Cars area may have a play area as well.

 

[WorldExplorer]

Just to add, there is/was(?) a kids play spot between Tiana’s and the Railroad Station there in Frontierland.
Also, I feel the last day wasn’t as crowded for the Rivers of America closings because many people had already said their goodbyes a month earlier when they came to do the same for Muppets.

Was. The Laughin' Place playground was ripped out with Splash.

 

[JD80]

The idea of a kids exploration area, caves, fort to play around in etc will never date, it's not about IPs. IPs only matter to the Disney corporation, they've lost sight of what childhood is about.

Yeah. Disney lost sight of what childhood is a out. That makes sense.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Most people never even bothered to show up for the ROA because the average person does not care as much as most people here.

The line went out the queue and onto the bridge by splash. Plenty of people were there.

I’m not sure why you’re so focused on the space, there are plenty of expansion pads available and also closed attractions and restaurants

 

[meggo819]

…I’m just wondering how the company is justifying off roading in a national park?

I guess because they’re anthropomorphized cars? So “off-roading” is really just equivalent to cars going hiking?

 

[DCBaker]

Here’s a look at construction walls up along the Haunted Mansion queue from today:

 

[MR.Dis]

This is simply not true.

Journey of Water was filler for the Festival Center plan. The Festival Center made absolutely no financial, programmatic or operational sense. For most guests it would have been a concrete plaza with a concrete ceiling.

Non-water based interactive experiences absolutely could have fit within the CommuniCore West building. The capacity had been there. There were also alternative plans that would have featured more capacity in better form than what they ultimately cobbled together with CommuniCore Hall. They also would have been a lot easier and cheaper to accomplish than putting a bunch of water on top of a basement.

It doesn’t have anywhere near enough capacity to meaningfully reduce demand elsewhere in the park.

You claim all of this wild stuff about Journey of Water like it inducing demand for the park and shifting patterns, but also claim absolutely nothing could have improved visitation to Tom Sawyer Island.

The problem with Moana is the same with Tom Sawyer Island. With the large number of repeat guests both are one and done. I go to WDW 2 to 3 times a year. I have not been on TSI in over 5 years, grand kids were all on it once and had no desire to go back. Same with Moana, went thru once and have no desire to visit again. Now consider Soarin--I have been on this attraction well over 50 times (combined both old and new version) and yet every trip still enjoy going on it. That being said my motto is "each to their own" and if someone wants to complain about the loss of TSI that is their option. Heck, Splash Mountain has been gone I believe over 3 years and people are still complaining about the change.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Exiting theming, beauty, and atmosphere was killed .... The theming, beauty, and atmosphere that replaces it might be as good or better or not, we shall see. But definitely what was there is gone

I agree, all we can do is wait and see.

My hope is there are not excessive scope cuts to stay within budget.

 

[Incomudro]

The problem with Moana is the same with Tom Sawyer Island. With the large number of repeat guests both are one and done. I go to WDW 2 to 3 times a year. I have not been on TSI in over 5 years, grand kids were all on it once and had no desire to go back. Same with Moana, went thru once and have no desire to visit again. Now consider Soarin--I have been on this attraction well over 50 times (combined both old and new version) and yet every trip still enjoy going on it. That being said my motto is "each to their own" and if someone wants to complain about the loss of TSI that is their option. Heck, Splash Mountain has been gone I believe over 3 years and people are still complaining about the change.

Why not just walk through Moana as a pleasant thing to do?
It's as though you have to wait on line for it, and board it.
It's not out of the way.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

I agree, all we can do is wait and see.

My hope is there are not excessive scope cuts to stay within budget.

I definitely agree and hope the same ... I would think they know of any project that needs the full scope, even if it means increasing the budget, is this one - just with how visible it will be they really need to get it as right as they can - but we shall see

 

[Gusey]

For those that said Cars isn't popular anymore, someone should let the Test Track store know

 

[𝐌𝖆𝖓 𝖎𝖓 𝐖𝖊𝖇]

For those that said Cars isn't popular anymore, someone should let the Test Track store know

Gotta see what sells. Test the waters.

 

[Smiley/OCD]

I definitely agree and hope the same ... I would think they know of any project that needs the full scope, even if it means increasing the budget, is this one - just with how visible it will be they really need to get it as right as they can - but we shall see

We were fed that company line pablum with Tiana…and look how THAT turned out.