MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[TheMaxRebo]

They’re doing pretty significant infrastructure changes!

They also felt the desire build a very, very expense, starchitect designed, too small, too limited access Festival Center was the way to go at Epcot.

That's my point - it was either this or some level of infrastructure change - take out Small World, etc ...OR modify the river but not remove it - at some point they felt this was a better option for reasons we may not agree with but also using a lot of data and analysis we don't have access to

 

[TheMaxRebo]

“Best” meaning what management was wiling to stomach financially. There is a world where you get the expansions announced while not losing RoA but there would be
1) significant capital costs added to the projects to adjust existing park infrastructure to accommodate future public access where there was once backstage areas
2) significant additional capital costs to developing more land outside the berm and unsettled as part of the park perimeter
3) additional commitments to operational capacity of the park keeping the RoA and its activities as an going concern indefinitely


I don’t think these are great reasons but I think most posters here assumed management balked at keeping RoA because of (3), when I really think they didn’t want to shoulder (1) and (2).

Fully agree - any they have access to a lot of data and info and analysis we don't

Maybe others in charge still would have chosen a different option but this wasn't done willy nilly

 

[TheMaxRebo]

I bet there is someone with a spreadsheet showing how much money will be saved in maintenance as a result of destroying RoA, TSI, the riverboat and how much money will be made in sales of LL as a result of opening the new attractions.

Theming, beauty and atmosphere was killed by Iger’s leadership.

It’s all about money now.

Exiting theming, beauty, and atmosphere was killed .... The theming, beauty, and atmosphere that replaces it might be as good or better or not, we shall see. But definitely what was there is gone

 

[TheMaxRebo]

I always thought Frontierland felt cramped.

Not sure I fully agree - but did often feel like a pathway to get from HM to Big Thunder - partly as less activity in the areas in between

I remember going as a kid a lot more things going on on the river and more streetmosphere, etc - so felt more like enjoying all of it vs more of a walkway

 

[lazyboy97o]

That's my point - it was either this or some level of infrastructure change - take out Small World, etc ...OR modify the river but not remove it - at some point they felt this was a better option for reasons we may not agree with but also using a lot of data and analysis we don't have access to

They tore down half of CommuniCore for a building that the data said was a bad idea and was abandoned as soon as possible all because one guy was jealous of Michael Eisner. Just because it’s a company effort doesn’t mean it is a purely rational analysis.

 

[BrianLo]

The Frontierland changes will not only increase crowds but, by getting rid of the parks only remaining vista, will increase the SENSE of the being crowded.

To put it simply - MK badly needs more open spaces, not fewer.

It should be noted that the most oppressively crowded part of Disneyland is the River. Vistas matter, but they only are a part of the equation. Alternative wide pathways can help.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

I know you're referring to either California Adventure or Walt Disney Studios Paris, but I'm not sure which one.

WDSP has much lower attendance than DCA

It has Nemo, Stitch, Marvel, Toy Story, Cars (occasionally Star Wars) and will soon have Frozen and Lion King too

But no one who has been there in the last 23 years would describe it as a Disney quality park

The expansion area may help, the one that's organized around a large body of water with lots of trees

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

But no one who has been there in the last 23 years would describe it as a Disney quality park

For me, it’s as good as DHS currently is. Bonus for still having catastrophe canyon. The expansion is very much needed, to help the park not feel so small.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Fully agree - any they have access to a lot of data and info and analysis we don't

Not really…. There really aren’t any trade secrets to travel and theme parks. They know the exact numbers who visit the attractions…. But so does Len!

Maybe others in charge still would have chosen a different option but this wasn't done willy nilly

Was the decision to go with 7 dwarves after announcements were made Willy Nilly? If not, what’s your definition of Willy nily? Haha

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Not really…. There really aren’t any trade secrets to travel and theme parks. They know the exact numbers who visit the attractions…. But so does Len!


Was the decision to go with 7 dwarves after announcements were made Willy Nilly? If not, what’s your definition of Willy nily? Haha

They don't have information on the maintenance costs, the cost to staff, the cost to repair, the cost for various construction options, things like that which is or Len won't?

Not just talking attendance

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

This guy does appreciate everyone who reads my post for whatever reason. If you do not like my posts I think there is block functionality? I am not sure since I never used it, I enjoy reading everyone's posts whether I agree or disagree. No winky used in this post.

Nah I don't block people unless there's a genuine reason to, I just scroll past or comment if theres something to comment on. I don't need to be shielded from just some bad jokes

 

[FettFan]

Disney would never build an attraction like It's a Small World today. Even if they added Disney characters to it like Disneyland's.

Sad but true. The “Coaster Wars” of the late-90s/early 2000’s have now given way to “Dark Ride Wars”.

Everything has to be more extreme and more cutting-edge. And although they’re technologically impressive, they tend to lose a lot of the heart of the old rides.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

They don't have information on the maintenance costs, the cost to staff, the cost to repair, the cost for various construction options, things like that which is or Len won't?

Not just talking attendance

I’m not trying to argue by the way - you seem enthusiastic for this expansion - which is good! Parts of it I’m optimistic of as well.

But all of that can be estimated. Nothing is a big secret.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

I’m not trying to argue by the way - you seem enthusiastic for this expansion - which is good! Parts of it I’m optimistic of as well.

But all of that can be estimated. Nothing is a big secret.

I'd say I am more open to it than excited by it.

If the final execution is poor I will be disappointed just don't think it is automatically a huge downgrade until we see what happens.

Personally I wish they made a different choice but am going in optimistic since the choice was made / it's going to happen

 

[flynnibus]

This guy 100% just says the most ridiculous stuff and just ends it off with a wink as if it’s funny now?

Just use the ignore button like everyone should be doing... it's garbage that doesn't even warrant attention or response.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Personally I wish they made a different choice but am going in optimistic since the choice was made / it's going to happen

Yeah… outside of the riverboat I feel the same way. Coco and Encanto are a better fit for the land, but I’ll see what they do and hope for the best.

 

[MickMinn22]

That’s not the question though. Moana and the friendship boats do not have a wait either. Parks need things like that.

I do agree the parks need walk up or nearly walk up attractions (and as a parent with young ones, I feel that’s nearly all I ride now). MK still has plenty of those with people mover, IASW, COP, MILF, WDWRR, tiki room, Prince Charming carousel, dumbo, speedway, little mermaid, pirates, carpets, tea cups. I know some of those have waits but I feel you can consistently get on these with 0-20 minute waits. The big difference though is these walk on rides don’t take up 10 acres of the park.

I understand the rivers help complete two different lands and add to the sense of place making. I am hopeful they are serious on their consideration of site lines and use of water in this new area both maintaining some type of river front and waterfalls/geysers.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

That’s not the question though. Moana and the friendship boats do not have a wait either. Parks need things like that.

Neither of those take up 14 acres of space. Moana is realistically where no ride could really fit into that vision and is a great use of space to add capacity that wasn't really there before and reduce the load on some other parts of the park while providing kids something else to really enjoy in Epcot. The friendship boats are transportation service more so and help people get around the resort so that's not really a comparison because it's actually doing something and moving you somewhere. It would be like saying "the monorail has no wait so its useless" it's efficient and has a purpose while taking up minimal if any space that wouldn't already be taken up.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Yeah… outside of the riverboat I feel the same way. Coco and Encanto are a better fit for the land, but I’ll see what they do and hope for the best.

It's still my wish that they use the current laydown yard for a Coco expansion after. I feel like they might've but their idea was something similar to Soarin' & FOP which would have a show building problem in the middle of Frontierland if done that way. I would prefer the DCA boat ride anyway but who knows, we might still get a flying theater but out behind BTM where it's easier to hide.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

It's still my wish that they use the current laydown yard for a Coco expansion after.

It would now be a dead end I think - so I doubt that happens. Moana would be the next move on the chess board I think.