MK Hall of Presidents Replaced by Muppets American History Show???

Figments Friend

Figments Friend

Well-Known Member
Am I the only one who does NOT want Muppets taking over the Hall of Presidents…?
🤔

Please…just say no.

They BELONG at ‘MuppetVision 3D’ and should STAY THERE at this wonderful Attraction for at least another decade.
Classic, perfect, perfection.
But no…..Today’s ‘Disney’ decides they need to close it.
Idiots.

Leave the Hall of Presidents alone.
Having the Muppets ‘invade’ would be a disgrace in some respects to the legacy the Attraction was founded on.
The current Show covers both sides of the political spectrum…fairness for everyone no matter what you personally side with party wise.
Let’s not let the hate of some folks spoil the Show for future audiences.


Take the Muppets and go elsewhere.
In style, befitting their OWN legacy.
Shoving them into the Hall of Presidents is NOT the answer.

The Dragon has spoken.

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Comped

Well-Known Member
Figments Friend said:
Am I the only one who does NOT want Muppets taking over the Hall of Presidents…?
🤔

Please…just say no.

They BELONG at ‘MuppetVision 3D’ and should STAY THERE at this wonderful Attraction for at least another decade.
Classic, perfect, perfection.
But no…..Today’s ‘Disney’ decides they need to close it.
Idiots.

Leave the Hall of Presidents alone.
Having the Muppets ‘invade’ would be a disgrace in some respects to the legacy the Attraction was founded on.
The current Show covers both sides of the political spectrum…fairness for everyone no matter what you personally side with party wise.
Let’s not let the hate of some folks spoil the Show for future audiences.


Take the Muppets and go elsewhere.
In style, befitting their OWN legacy.
Shoving them into the Hall of Presidents is NOT the answer.

The Dragon has spoken.

-
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You aren't wrong, Muppets are also getting forced into RnRC (an attraction on its last legs anyway). Two attractions with Muppets, a relatively niche property, in two different parks? No sense. Avoiding the political issue completely, we also have to consider that corner of the park (should ROA be truly dead, which I won't believe until we see construction starting) will be very dead for a while. HoP may not be a huge crowd pleaser but it does give people an excuse to get out of other lines for quite some time, in an area of the park that will otherwise be devoid of attractions beyond HM. Plus does Bob really want to spend a not insignificant amount of money to make the attraction into a giant political football, with a protracted development time to boot? Doesn't make sense to do for the next 5-10 years IMO. And especially not with Muppets as much as I love them.
 
Agent H

Agent H

Well-Known Member
Comped said:
You aren't wrong, Muppets are also getting forced into RnRC (an attraction on its last legs anyway). Two attractions with Muppets, a relatively niche property, in two different parks? No sense. Avoiding the political issue completely, we also have to consider that corner of the park (should ROA be truly dead, which I won't believe until we see construction starting) will be very dead for a while. HoP may not be a huge crowd pleaser but it does give people an excuse to get out of other lines for quite some time, in an area of the park that will otherwise be devoid of attractions beyond HM. Plus does Bob really want to spend a not insignificant amount of money to make the attraction into a giant political football, with a protracted development time to boot? Doesn't make sense to do for the next 5-10 years IMO. And especially not with Muppets as much as
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I find it ironic people say they’re being “forced into rock and roller coaster” like it hasn’t been an armchair imagineering mainstay for as long as I can remember.
 
Bocabear

Bocabear

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While it feels like people are applauding the HOP's eventual demise, the main thing is, there is not much that would fit in that space... If it does go away, we would be left with a colonial styled miniland which would no longer make sense... Liberty Tree Tavern would no longer make sense... Of course I don't know what any of this riverfront will eventually be....with the CARS attraction going in, it will definitely not feel like a Frontierland... Maybe they will make the area more like a 19th century Hudson River Valley town...Maybe the idea of a Sleepy Hollow area.... it would be one more thing that would mess up the fabric of the park....with no known gains....
 
discos

discos

Well-Known Member
The only issue I see with incorporating the muppets into HOP is that the Muppets will feel tiny in a theatre of that size. Even if they scale them up a bit it will still be too grand of a space. They'll get lost. The muppets in their puppet forms need a more intimate venue. Honestly Great Moments in History was a perfect use of space.
 
The Mom

The Mom

Moderator
Premium Member
There are a lot of OT posts, but I've mostly deleted posts that are violating the ToS, with warnings applied to posters.

14. Political discussion is not allowed in any area of the forum. Any political posts are likely to be deleted without warning.

The above "without warning" means without notice. Warning points may still be applied.
 
HauntedPirate

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
Agent H said:
I find it ironic people say they’re being “forced into rock and roller coaster” like it hasn’t been an armchair imagineering mainstay for as long as I can remember.
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Sure Jan GIF


Because it was forced. Armchair imagineering here ≠ any sort of real plans that WDI had.

Here's a radical idea - Why not leave HoP alone? Disney updates it every 4 years like it always does. Guests can check their silly politics and political leanings at the door and just enjoy the damn show.

I love Jim Henson's Muppets - funny, biting humor, interesting, and unique. I loathe Disney's Muppets - unfunny, forced, and rather blah.
 
Sir_Cliff

Sir_Cliff

Well-Known Member
I understand the moderation policies and won't discuss them further as I believe the mods prefer people to take any concerns directly to them if they have them. However, I think the fact it has become so hard to discuss this Magic Kingdom attraction without straying into politics and things getting heated is suggestive of why the time may have come to replace it. People well may think it shouldn't be so hard, but the fact is that it is.
 
Moth

Moth

Well-Known Member
Sir_Cliff said:
I understand the moderation policies and won't discuss them further as I believe the mods prefer people to take any concerns directly to them if they have them. However, I think the fact it has become so hard to discuss this Magic Kingdom attraction without straying into politics and things getting heated is suggestive of why the time may have come to replace it. People well may think it shouldn't be so hard, but the fact is that it is.
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Yeah I think this takes the words out of my mouth. If it's hard to discuss this attraction to where almost every discussion of it has to be heavily monitored, I think it's time the HoP meets the great Mickey Mouse Park in the sky.


All I can really say at this point is that

-I do not envy whoever has to break this news if the rumors are true
-I hope the rumored Muppet show holds equal respect for Muppets as characters and fits into Liberty Square.
-I think Muppets are the way to go if an IP has to go in this space as it's arguably the most "American" brand Disney has (despite most production happening in the UK). They've already tested the waters with the show, and they've been shown the last few months that people still adore the Muppets, and would overall improve traffic in an underutilized space, helping that area of the park as construction happens at the ROA.

The main concern I have with this idea is the writing. The writing for something like this has to be on point, and while ride writing has been a point of contention with other posters, I will say when it comes to shows like CBMJ, the writing for that has been pretty good. Hopefully they lean the more CBMJ quality versus some other rides.
 
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Sir_Cliff

Sir_Cliff

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Splashin' Ryan said:
I have, and they do not seem willing to respond. My post literally said "the tension in american politics may not be wanted in the park" and it got removed... Never stated a side, a view, an opinion, just that there's tension. Seems pretty silly to remove just that.
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I think it's more a case of removing an entire line of discussion. I know it can seem personalised when your post gets deleted, however I think once a thread has to be moderated it is often a case of just removing the topic that is causing the issue rather than going through with a fine toothed comb to see which posts and posters fall on either side of the regulations. So, I would sincerely just say not to take it personally as it happens to us all.
 
Charlie The Chatbox Ghost

Charlie The Chatbox Ghost

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Moth said:
Yeah I think this takes the words out of my mouth. If it's hard to discuss this attraction to where almost every discussion of it has to be heavily monitored, I think it's time the HoP meets the great Mickey Mouse Park in the sky.


All I can really say at this point is that

-I do not envy whoever has to break this news if the rumors are true
-I hope the rumored Muppet show holds equal respect for Muppets as characters and fits into Liberty Square.
-I think Muppets are the way to go if an IP has to go in this space as it's arguably the most "American" brand Disney has (despite most production happening in the UK). They've already tested the waters with the show, and they've been shown the last few months that people still adore the Muppets, and would overall improve traffic in an underutilized space, helping that area of the park as construction happens at the ROA.

The main concern I have with this idea is the writing. The writing for something like this has to be on point, and while ride writing has been a point of contention with other posters, I will say when it comes to shows like CBMJ, the writing for that has been pretty good. Hopefully they lean the more CBMJ quality versus some other rides.
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Not that Disney loves using this IP much, but what about Mickey Mouse? I feel like if there were any Disney-grown brand that was "patriotic" it's probably Mickey, given the mouse is seen as a symbol of America overseas. Give Mickey Mouse a baseball uniform and an apple pie and you've got the second-most American thing next to a bald eagle wrapped in a flag.

But Mickey, ironically, isn't as big of a draw for people as you would think given the merch sales. But then again you could say that for the Muppets. There's really nothing they can do here that works. Keep the HoP, Disney loses. Replace it, Disney loses. Too small to house a ride, too big for an AA show with the Muppets to scale, too high-tech to be purely a screen show... I suppose the bones of the building are really, REALLY of the time it was built- when people were more than happy to spend 30+ minutes on a grand animatronic show. Carousel of Progress is always a walk-on, and they had to cut down the Tiki Room and the Country Bears for a reason (and those are both super tiny compared to HoP/MMR/CoP).

Maybe they could gut it and put the long-rumored Haunted Mansion table service restaurant in there? Though it's a bit too far from HM and Memento Mori to fit... there really is no good idea here, is there?
 
Charlie The Chatbox Ghost

Charlie The Chatbox Ghost

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PizzaPlanet said:
What if they presented both like the Lincoln/Walt show at DL? Muppets would have to be mostly screen-based but seems like a fair compromise
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This could work. I don't know much about the structure of HoP compared to the Great Moments theater, but hypothetically could you pull a American Adventure and have the massive set lower/roll back to allow for something else to go in its place? Heck, you could bring the Walt show to MK. But the space might be too large for just a single animatronic in and office set...
 
aladdin2007

aladdin2007

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Charlie The Chatbox Ghost said:
This could work. I don't know much about the structure of HoP compared to the Great Moments theater, but hypothetically could you pull a American Adventure and have the massive set lower/roll back to allow for something else to go in its place? Heck, you could bring the Walt show to MK. But the space might be too large for just a single animatronic in and office set...
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Im surprised thats not happening in some form anyway, whether its part of a revamped show in HoP or a new scene in Carousel of Progress. It needs to happen somewhere. But as we know TDO wants very little to do with Walt compared to Disneyland.. and they probably don't want to pay for it here, another reason why stitch sits empty and other areas half closed that shouldn't be.
 

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