MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[Animaniac93-98]

The DLP river is not 55 years old and in need of extensive maintenance.

What extensive maintenance would be required to continue operating WDW's Rivers of America?

 

[Gusey]

That DLP is adding to its version of the RoA at least partially undermines the argument that the RoA is an underutilized space.

Except that DLP's river is incorporated into Big Thunder Mountain thanks to the track gong under it.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Not really. The situations are entirely different. The DLP river is not 55 years old and in need of extensive maintenance. DLP does not have significant issues with park capacity. The company has no intentions of massive investment in DLP. So even if their river suffers the same issues of lack of utilization there is no pressing need or desire to address that.

100%. Also missing the fact that the French market is different to WDW’s. AFAIK DLP is one of those parks that see a lot of people from France who go multiple times so having their walkthroughs and areas to relax make more sense for the less busy grindset that once in a lifetime/once in a decade WDW travelers go through

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Paris continues to stay winning as the best castle park! (Even if they also have the Tomorrowland problem, but all Tomorrowlands do)

It doesn’t feel as messy as Florida and California. Philharmagic is the only true issue.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Except that DLP's river is incorporated into Big Thunder Mountain thanks to the track gong under it.

So? There might be limits on what could be placed directly above the track, but it doesn’t require the water to be present.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

So? There might be limits on what could be placed directly above the track, but it doesn’t require the water to be present.

It also doesn’t require water to surround it - they could fill in the majority if they wanted to.

 

[EricsBiscuit]

Not really. The situations are entirely different. The DLP river is not 55 years old and in need of extensive maintenance. DLP does not have significant issues with park capacity. The company has no intentions of massive investment in DLP. So even if their river suffers the same issues of lack of utilization there is no pressing need or desire to address that.

The “extensive maintenance” line is such a trope. MK has far lower hanging fruit to expand park capacity than replacing the RoA.

What extensive maintenance would be required to continue operating WDW's Rivers of America?

It’s funny that no one can give a straight answer. They performed massive maintenance just a few years ago on the river which they also seem to forget.

 

[Gusey]

So? There might be limits on what could be placed directly above the track, but it doesn’t require the water to be present.

Just pointing out a fact that part of the theme of DLP's BTM is that it is on an island in the middle of the river, including a splashdown section into the water. The water is part of the reason that it is the best version of BTM

 

[Charlie The Chatbox Ghost]

It doesn’t feel as messy as Florida and California. Philharmagic is the only true issue.

Fair. I’d personally also replace Buzz and maybe Star Tours, because they don’t match aesthetically. Bring back Timekeeper (maybe keep the bones of Buzz and do a Timekeeper shooting ride with a steampunk/Verne aesthetic) and replace PhilHar with a Sci-Fi show.

 

[peter11435]

The “extensive maintenance” line is such a trope. MK has far lower hanging fruit to expand park capacity than replacing the RoA.

It’s funny that no one can give a straight answer. They performed massive maintenance just a few years ago on the river which they also seem to forget.

I’m betting you’ve never been involved in the maintenance of the River and the attractions/infrastructure in and around it.

I’m assuming the lower hanging fruit you’re referring to is the speedway. Which while partially true is not really equivalent.

They did perform maintenance a few years ago. It was largely limited to necessary track work for the riverboat that could no longer be put off. It looked extensive so the draining but the work was not major. Much more work needed to be done but was not because they already knew this was coming.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Just pointing out a fact that part of the theme of DLP's BTM is that it is on an island in the middle of the river, including a splashdown section into the water. The water is part of the reason that it is the best version of BTM

The Rivers of America is part of the theme and the central focus of the spatial of organization of Frontierland and Liberty Square.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I’m betting you’ve never been involved in the maintenance of the River and the attractions/infrastructure in and around it.

I’m assuming the lower hanging fruit you’re referring to is the speedway. Which while partially true is not really equivalent.

They did perform maintenance a few years ago. It was largely limited to necessary track work for the riverboat that could no longer be put off. It looked extensive so the draining but the work was not major. Much more work needed to be done but was not because they already knew this was coming.

What extensive maintenance? It’s a simple concrete pad.

 

[networkpro]

What extensive maintenance? It’s a simple concrete pad.

Its concrete slabs on a sand base. They move.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Its concrete slabs on a sand base. They move.

So? It’s not holding anything up. It doesn’t even need a solid bottom.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

So? It’s not holding anything up. It doesn’t even need a solid bottom.

It's just for the riverboat's guiderail to have something to attach to correct?

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I’m betting you’ve never been involved in the maintenance of the River and the attractions/infrastructure in and around it.

Everything about the WDW resort is complicated. We somehow went from building the vacation kingdom of the world on top of a swamp to not being able to maintain a simple canal? (When much larger navigable bodies of water exist all over the property).

But none of that matters - they could have easily included a new / fixed canal in the plans with or without cars and Villians. Smaller, yes, but it could still exist.

 

[networkpro]

So? It’s not holding anything up. It doesn’t even need a solid bottom.

Its holding the water mass that sits above it and the sand below moves.

 

[peter11435]

Everything about the WDW resort is complicated. We somehow went from building the vacation kingdom of the world on top of a swamp to not being able to maintain a simple canal? (When much larger navigable bodies of water exist all over the property).

But none of that matters - they could have easily included a new / fixed canal in the plans with or without cars and Villians. Smaller, yes, but it could still exist.

I never said anything about “not being able to maintain” the river and impacted attractions and infrastructure. Of course they could be maintained.

They have made the decision that the cost to maintain that infrastructure is not worth the benefit. It’s a choice but not one made without reason.

 

[Gusey]

The Rivers of America is part of the theme and the central focus of the spatial of organization of Frontierland and Liberty Square.

People were talking about why DLP's rivers are getting an update and not WDW's. I was just providing a reason. I can't be bothered to get into another debate about why I'm ok with WDW's RoA going as it just gets shouted down on here.

 

[lazyboy97o]

It's just for the riverboat's guiderail to have something to attach to correct?

Otherwise the RoA is structurally the same as the Seven Seas Lagoon, to which it is connected.

Both are man made bodies of water that do not support or sit over other structures or are dependent on them.

Structurally they are different as the Rivers of America has a completely concrete base. The big advantage is that lets you easily maintain its form and edge. It’s also less desirable a medium for living organisms. The guide rail could be on something like a narrow pad or individual piers.

Being part of the Seven Seas Lagoon makes the Rivers of America unique in that it actually comes with less concerns than other artificial, contained bodies of water. The water isn’t treated or filtered, so extra water can just be pulled from the system. That larger system is also part of returning the water to the ground, so it’s not really a problem if water is doing just that. Having too much water in the ground is possible but that’s a serious issue that cannot just be deferred for years and years.