Imagineer is not a discipline. It’s an employment status with a company that hires a wide variety of disciplines and specialties. In this case, while Walt Disney Imagineering would be involved to a degree, for this hypothetical their involvement would be in the design of any replacement. Actual responsibility would fall to FAM and they would hire third party engineers to do the serious work. I haven’t seen the specific rebuttals, so I’m not speaking to them, but we do need to be careful because it can still be a dubious appeal to authority.
I feel like you just discovered Bill and feel like you just uncovered a gem. He was a regular of the forums during his CM years and early career days. Probably more on Micechat than here if I recall... it's been nearly 20yrs.
I haven’t come to any conclusions but surely you recognize that there are significant gaps in our knowledge about this situation as well as the CFTOD situation. Let’s see what he has to say, if anything.
I think being a fan and posting on forums shouldn’t have any bearing on one’s perceived credibility.I feel like you just discovered Bill and feel like you just uncovered a gem. He was a regular of the forums during his CM years and early career days. Probably more on Micechat than here if I recall... it's been nearly 20yrs.
He was a front line CM who I think ended up with an intership with WDI and eventually worked at some low level gopher stuff in the professional side of the company. Then as you can see went academia and stuck with it after working his grad school positions. These Theme Park/hospitality programs are a lot more 'practical' backgrounds than they are some huge tell of prior stature. He's junior faculty at ucf and seems like he pivoted to stay in that space now.
He's always been a Disney nerd and was the type that was gitty with his access he had when he finally got beyond just being a front line CM. This isn't some 'former Imagineer Eddie Sotto' - It's just someone who can legitimately claim he worked inside and has spent his adult life immersed in the topic.
I mean good for Bill that he's made a career out of his passion in theme parks.. but keep perspective. At the core he's a fanboi with friends
This is circular reasoning. There’s only a gap because he has made ridiculous claims. It’s all built around a space that only this one person knows about, that contradicts other available information.
Going to point out that you represented the industrial engineer as an “actual engineer working on the project” in response to rebuttals.
I didn't say his credibility was harmed by his posting.. I'm just telling you when you post his linked in and repeat that he's a professor at UCF... (really just instructor).. it's not some big peacock strutting into the chat. Most of the folks who have been around long enough are all familiar with Bill and what he really is.
yeah…. It gets tricky. Anyone who gets paid from WDI is technically “an imagineer” but then there are “Imagineers” like Tony, Joe, Marty, Kevin, Bob, Kim, etc….
This is exactly what I was trying to figure out how to say but not sure how to put it.I mean good for Bill that he's made a career out of his passion in theme parks.. but keep perspective. At the core he's a fanboi with friends
Zanetti stated that he talked to an industrial engineer working on this project. Are you saying that the Cars project would not need any kind of industrial engineer that would collaborate with the structural and civil engineers?
Every few years isn’t all that regular. There are also photos of the most recent times this has occurred. Those photos don’t show the sort of work that these alleged problems would require. That often don’t show any work along the edges of the River. The work is generally track maintenance, clearing out the sediment that naturally accumulates at the bottom of the river bed.
That the utilidors were built at approximately what was grade over fifty years ago is a fun piece of trivia. It has absolutely no bearing on how the utilidors function as a building system. Once something is buried it is buried. It would be sort of like claiming that Tokyo Disney Resort is built on water because that area used to be the water of Tokyo Bay. The site was changed. If you’re building something you have to build it for what exists now or what will exist when you are done. A basement wall is not built the same as a wall built above grade, the utilidors are built as basements and would have failed long ago if they were not.
Here he is backing away from the claim that the utilidors go right up to the river bed. 30-40 is not at all close and is a completely different condition. That’s 30-40 feet that should be soil mostly covered by hardscape. So much water in that space that it’s causing serious and constant leaks means a sink hole is there and Disney is knowingly allowing it to grow. A sinkhole that would be not just under guest walkways but also portions of buildings. And such a problem wouldn’t be limited to just the utilidors area, it would mean there are serious water issues around the entire river, including under Big Thunder Mountain Railroad where active construction work is occurring and they’re not digging it out to solve this serious problem.
Who is mocking Eddie? His name has been mentioned but not in any sort of negative way. Quite the opposite, in fact.
That's not mocking him, that's asking a question. And I also think it's well within his purview to sketch out an idea in response to an announced plan if he feels like it. He's earned it.
Need to collaborate? Not really. An urban planner / industrial engineer is going to be concerned with things like crowd flow. It’s bigger picture. They’d define and guide certain programmatic requirements like minimum path widths and restrooms requirements. It’s generally not an active design role once it’s at the project stage. The architect and landscape architect would also be intermediaries between industrial design and the civil and structural engineers. The structural engineer is typically hired by the architect. In theme parks, while civil engineers can do things like walkway and building layouts, it’s considered more purely technical work and they follow the design lead set by others.
