News 'Beyond Big Thunder Mountain' Blue Sky concept revealed for Magic Kingdom

[Brer Oswald]

If Phantom Manor can work in Frontierland, a flight to the Land of the Dead can. It’s not much more fantastical than Splash/TBA.

Frontierland in Disneyland always had the little Mexican Mesa Town area. To me it’s completely believable. I would just be disappointed if it and Moana were the only major additions to MK (especially since Borge are rumoured to have simulator components to them).

 

[Mike S]

I remember the remake as well with Catherine Zeta Jones.
Still, I really don't think too many people - particularly younger people are interested in Zorro.

The remake was one of my most watched movies as a kid. Pure nostalgia.

 

[MR.Dis]

The remake was one of my most watched movies as a kid. Pure nostalgia.

I guess I am a lot older, as a kid I loved the Zorro TV show with Guy Williams.

 

[SpectreJordan]

I’m in my mid-30s and I don’t really know either of those properties. I doubt most people younger than me would either. They may be classics, but I don’t think they’ve survived in relevancy enough for modern-day attractions.

Yeah, they're not relevant. But if they're going to do more western stuff it makes sense to base it off of actual western characters instead of freakin' Woody.

Ideally, it'd be something original. Get Imagineering's creative juices flowing & potentially give the movie studio a Western IP that they'd fully own.

 

[Dcgc28]

I'm 60. They were old when I was a kid.

What you’re about to read is pure opinion:

This is the biggest issue Disney is fighting right now. The IPs that Universal has are so fresh compared to what Disney is able to trot out, I mean we’re still pushing Indiana Jones…the vastly superior story to Indiana Jones has been told, uncharted, and even it’s already 17 years old.

Disney has to get more relatable IP in the parks, they know it. What they don’t know is what their fans want, vs what’s worth the expense it takes to build these things. Which is why they’re forcing it in to parks and resorts just to see what sticks.

 

[The Leader of the Club]

What you’re about to read is pure opinion:

This is the biggest issue Disney is fighting right now. The IPs that Universal has are so fresh compared to what Disney is able to trot out, I mean we’re still pushing Indiana Jones…the vastly superior story to Indiana Jones has been told, uncharted, and even it’s already 17 years old.

Disney has to get more relatable IP in the parks, they know it. What they don’t know is what their fans want, vs what’s worth the expense it takes to build these things. Which is why they’re forcing it in to parks and resorts just to see what sticks.

Maybe I’m just not hip, but I can’t think of any “fresh” IP that Universal has access to except Nintendo and MAYBE Despicable Me.

The Potter movies have been done for a decade, HTTYD is done (except the live action version?), Universal Monsters aren’t actively bringing people to theaters, even the Jurassic World movies are maligned despite their box office success.

What franchises does Universal have that I’m supposed to be excited about?

 

[Casper Gutman]

What you’re about to read is pure opinion:

This is the biggest issue Disney is fighting right now. The IPs that Universal has are so fresh compared to what Disney is able to trot out, I mean we’re still pushing Indiana Jones…the vastly superior story to Indiana Jones has been told, uncharted, and even it’s already 17 years old.

Disney has to get more relatable IP in the parks, they know it. What they don’t know is what their fans want, vs what’s worth the expense it takes to build these things. Which is why they’re forcing it in to parks and resorts just to see what sticks.

This is the opposite of the truth. Most of Hollywood’s key IPs are quite old - the only major live-action franchises created during the 21st century are John Wick, Avatar, and Fast and Furious (barely). Disney and Uni each have one of those and Uni’s is older and fading fast.

Animated IPs are a slightly different matter. Disney animation is actually the only entity in modern Hollywood pumping out successful fresh IPs like Coco (2017), Moana(2016), Encanto (2021), and Frozen (2013). Uni animation creates some fresh material as well, but they’re far more focused on sequels - hence the constant leveraging of older properties like Shrek (2001), Despicable Me (2010), and Kung Fu Panda (2008). Their freshest major franchise is Trolls, which I’d argue is weaker then any of Disney’s recent major IPs.

And calling Uncharted “vastly superior” to Indiana Jones is so mad it strains the boundaries of credibility.

 

[UNCgolf]

What you’re about to read is pure opinion:

This is the biggest issue Disney is fighting right now. The IPs that Universal has are so fresh compared to what Disney is able to trot out, I mean we’re still pushing Indiana Jones…the vastly superior story to Indiana Jones has been told, uncharted, and even it’s already 17 years old.

Disney has to get more relatable IP in the parks, they know it. What they don’t know is what their fans want, vs what’s worth the expense it takes to build these things. Which is why they’re forcing it in to parks and resorts just to see what sticks.

The Uncharted games are quite good, but they're certainly not better than Raiders of the Lost Ark or Last Crusade (and the Uncharted movie was terrible).

More importantly, there are millions and millions of people who have seen an Indiana Jones movie but have never played an Uncharted game. There aren't very many people who have played Uncharted without seeing at least one Indy film.

 

[James Alucobond]

The gameplay of Uncharted is also 40% clunky shooter and 60% listening to utterances of concern as each on-rails handhold or foothold the main character takes either breaks or crumbles.

 

[The Leader of the Club]

More importantly, there are millions and millions of people who have seen an Indiana Jones movie but have never played an Uncharted game. There aren't very many people who have played Uncharted without seeing at least one Indy film.

Games in general just don’t have the broad appeal that movies do. My parents don’t know who Nathan Drake is, but they do know Indiana Jones. I’d wager that 70% of guests at WDW can’t name a Kingdom Hearts character other than Sora.

 

[mikejs78]

Games in general just don’t have the broad appeal that movies do. My parents don’t know who Nathan Drake is, but they do know Indiana Jones. I’d wager that 70% of guests at WDW can’t name a Kingdom Hearts character other than Sora.

Some Nintendo properties being the exception, particularly Mario.

 

[imagineer97]

Games in general just don’t have the broad appeal that movies do. My parents don’t know who Nathan Drake is, but they do know Indiana Jones. I’d wager that 70% of guests at WDW can’t name a Kingdom Hearts character other than Sora.

I'd wager 60% of guests at WDW don't know what Kingdom Hearts is.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Zorro - perfect fit for the American Adventure pavilion in EPCOT!

Yes! His story takes place in California!!

Perhaps DCA would like it, too!!

For those who don't know Zorro, Puss 'n Boots (Shrek version) is a take on the genre.

My choice would be a Zorro, The Gay Blade land.

 

[DKampy]

What you’re about to read is pure opinion:

This is the biggest issue Disney is fighting right now. The IPs that Universal has are so fresh compared to what Disney is able to trot out, I mean we’re still pushing Indiana Jones…the vastly superior story to Indiana Jones has been told, uncharted, and even it’s already 17 years old.

Disney has to get more relatable IP in the parks, they know it. What they don’t know is what their fans want, vs what’s worth the expense it takes to build these things. Which is why they’re forcing it in to parks and resorts just to see what sticks.

You lost me at Uncharted is superior to Indiana Jones… and if that is the franchise people want…. What happened with the film… it should of been a blockbuster

 

[UNCgolf]

I'd wager 60% of guests at WDW don't know what Kingdom Hearts is.

I'd bet it's at least 80%, and that's probably lowballing it.

Kingdom Hearts has a rabid fanbase, but it's a pretty small one, relatively speaking.

 

[UNCgolf]

Some Nintendo properties being the exception, particularly Mario.

I think Mario is the only exception, unless you count Pokemon. And I wouldn't, because its broad appeal isn't solely (or even mainly) due to video games. Plus Nintendo is only a partial owner.

 

[doctornick]

Some Nintendo properties being the exception, particularly Mario.

Maybe Sonic is in the conversation but even there I think it would hover more around people being aware he exists than specific knowledge of or attachment to the IP

 

[Phicinfan]

Wasn't there a new Zorro show being developed for D+?

There is one currently on Prime

 

[Bocabear]

I am just ready for something that in NOT a superhero... I sm tired and bored with all of the uber-violent fighting in every movie...That seems to be all anyone is making anymore....I am glad Disney has literally hundreds of IP to chose from.

 

[ToTBellHop]

I am just ready for something that in NOT a superhero... I sm tired and bored with all of the uber-violent fighting in every movie...That seems to be all anyone is making anymore....I am glad Disney has literally hundreds of IP to chose from.

Deadpool + Wolverine ride CONFIRMED for Frontierland!