This is basically my point on natural immunity. I think it would be OK to allow exceptions with a certain level of anti-bodies but I think that just leads to bigger gripes and people complaining even more. It’s a slippery slope where proof of vaccination is pretty easy to provide
Is this how you and others feel about those who develop cancer after years of smoking, or those in need of medical attention for being morbidly obese?
I’m with you. It’s really sad how this has completely divided the nation instead of uniting it. We should all be united together to save lives. That includes the lives of unvaccinated who need treatment. It also includes doing simple things like wearing a mask and distancing when going out in public settings.
There has to be a common middle ground. In this case, responsible public vaccination policy; vaccine passports/testing requirements for crowded venues; a genuine, sincere, enthusiastic and concerted effort from state and local leaders across all 50 states to encourage folks to get vaccinated, including widespread and ongoing vaccination drives and outreach; responsible mitigation strategies in schools and crowded places; and insurance incentives/penalties for vaccinated/unvaccinated citizens (either or both) all seem like reasonable ways to get through this as quickly as possible with compassion *and* resolve.
https://apnews.com/article/business...ndemic-idaho-db21f9a14254996144e78aafb1518259
I'm not sure we can test accurately in a cost effective way to set a level
Good point. I don’t really know. That could be another reason not to include it. I think what they won’t/can’t do is take people’s word for it. I think some who oppose the mandates want an exception for anyone who says they have already had covid without any real proof. That’s just creating a loophole that is guaranteed to be exploited.
I know when I was tested it was about 75% reliable, not great but I would think they have improved the test since. I'm sure a full lab could prove it down to the last molecule but that takes time and $$$$
The vast majority of unvaccinated people do not believe that they are at risk of being hospitalised with COVID. They are acting (or rather not acting) out of misguided fear and/or on the basis of disinformation. Frankly, I have more sympathy for them than I do for someone who knowingly chooses not to help a fellow human being.
If you don't get vaccinated you are the scum of the earth and should lose your job, your loved ones, and be outcast from society never to be heard from again.This thread is a bit lengthy-can someone give me the TL;DR?
I think that is the common middle ground. It’s unfair to characterize everyone as either a covid denier or someone with hatred for the unvaccinated. The majority of the American public just wants this pandemic to be over with the least possible additional deaths and they believe vaccine mandates (like the workplace ones) and passports for large group venues are the best path to that end state. Supporting workplace mandates does not mean you hate the unvaccinated or want to punish them, it’s a means to an end. If people won’t freely choose to be vaccinated (we are going on 5 months now since the vaccine has been readily available) then the government and the rest of society has an obligation to do whatever it takes to encourage them. It’s in the best interest of the unvaccinated as well as the best interest of society. If we wanted to be punitive and divisive the government would just require people to be vaccinated. Instead efforts are being made to not force a vaccination. Offering a weekly test instead is a pretty large compromise for those who really don’t want to be vaccinated.
I doubt the indoor mandate will disappear until the cases are consistently under 5% again. We went to WDW when masks were required everywhere and went to DL with indoor only and the difference was night and day, constantly having to wear a mask was very uncomfortable for me but having to wear it for short lengths of time didn’t bother me at all. I will be glad when they are gone again but the indoor only really isn’t that bad.
It said “or”, then said both must be within 90 days, I think you just need one, but whichever you get must be within 90 days.
I agree on masks not being as bad as I thought they would be. The 5% factors into the OC recommendation so would be another strong indicator of a removal of the rule.
Is that natural immunity Authorized or just Emergency Use?
I suppose it may be hatred... certainly frustration. For those morbidly obese, aside from them ever so slightly increasing insurance premiums for others, there's no direct impact on others. For smokers, there is second hand smoke and there are lots of rules around smoking... where you can, where you can't... who can buy them, how much they're taxed. The thing for me about COVID is that it's still unknown who's safe and who's not when you're out in the world, so you have assume everyone isn't and act accordingly (masks, distancing, etc) and the penalty for not doing it is injury or death to you or your loved ones. The odds are low, but they're not zero. If getting pricked in the arm once or twice and having a lousy day or two afterward is the price that's too steep for people to pay to get rid of the virus and return to some level of normal.... yes, it can be frustrating and I suppose that will lead someone to hate, since chronic frustration is exhausting.
What year were you elected to the National Academy of Medicine?
On board with all of this except "responsible mitigation strategies in schools," because I assume they means masking children. We're the only developed country that makes kindergartners wear masks. Even Australia, which has been absolutely Draconian in their lockdown measures, does not mandate masks for young kids.
Not really. The vaccines work. Trust them. No, they don't drive your risk to 0, but they drive your risk pretty damn close to 0.