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Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion
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DisneyCane
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The OC vaccination rate is pretty terrible to be honest (although the State data has it a little higher at 69%). Miami-Dade is similarly "light blue" and has a huge black and Hispanic population and is currently at 86% eligible with at least one shot. With the effort that OC has put into it, I don't see how you classify their vaccination campaign as anything other than an abject failure.
Angel Ariel
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I don't disagree that there are no awesome solutions. Certainly nothing foolproof. But it is ableist to assume that this population is able to fully isolate, which is the point that I was getting at. They also have jobs (as not all are children), have medical needs, have educational or mental health needs that require them to be in public.
I'm all on board for vax mandates for those able to be vaxxed.
Not true.
Of course if a virus is very and immediately deadly, it will quickly run out of hosts and then maybe a milder variant will persist in the population that's left.
But various deadly plagues have persisted for hundreds and hundreds of years without winding up to be like a common cold. When will bubonic plague "eventually" stop being deadly? Why didn't Small Pox "eventually" become just a rash?
Flu viruses can become suddenly more deadly (Spanish Flu, Swine Flu).
A virus that starts off mild and very infectious can very easily suddenly turn into a deadly variant. To not be aware of that and claim it will get better automatically is just wrong. And this myth has been used by deniers to justify anti-vax and anti-mask stances.
Viruses can evolve to be more deadly
As the spread of coronavirus variants raise new public health questions, social media users are sharing misinformation about how viruses mutate.
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Yes, viruses can evolve to become more deadly | AAP
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How viruses evolve, and in some cases, become deadly
Researchers have demonstrated how a new virus evolves, shedding light on how easy it can be for diseases to gain dangerous mutations.
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ArmoredRodent
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In the world of weird effects from Covid-19, a new August 25 study out from Univ. Calif. Irvine Profs. Jonathan Cervas and Bernard Grofman in the Social Science Quarterly projects that New York State just lost a seat in Congress and Minnesota gained one because of deaths from Covid. And the difference in losing and winning a congressional seat was tiny: 89 people in NY, which as NY times columnist Denise Lu pointed out, is about the size of a NY subway car (or less-than-packed Disney bus).
From the summary of abstract:
"While there are a host of factors that plausibly affected New York's congressional allotment in the 2020 census—including interstate migration, inadequate census outreach, low rates of census compliance (especially by minorities), as well as the particular rule adopted for reapportionment of the U.S. House of Representatives in 1941 (Balinski & Young, 1982; Balinski & Young, 2001; Owens, 1921), we show that there is an indubitable villain that both Democrats and Republicans in New York can agree to blame; namely COVID-19. This villain alone was enough to cost New York its 27th seat, which is 3.5 percent of its political clout. But it is only New York (on the losing side) and Minnesota (on the winning side) whose House delegation size was directly affected by the pandemic."
Note: those projections were based on Census figures and thus don't reflect the current Delta-caused distortions in impacts. But Cervas and Grofman did try to see if that might have made a difference through later adjustment, and suggest that it did not (in ways that were, kind of, discussed in this and other threads here in the contexts of differential impacts on various demographic and political communities):
"In the early phases of the pandemic the states that were most heavily hit were ones with substantial minority population concentrated in large cities. The deaths disproportionately occurred in states that voted for Joe Biden. Recently, death rates have been higher in mostly rural states that voted for Donald Trump, especially in states where the state government is under firm Republican control. By and large, these are the states where the vaccination rates are the lowest and past efforts to control the virus have been the least aggressive in terms of social distancing and mask requirements.10 We thought it might be possible that changes in the distribution of COVID-19 death rates since April 1, 2020 might have given us some different apportionment results if the apportionment base was taken to be the initial population counts minus COVID-19 deaths; we reran the apportionment subtracting COVID-19 deaths since April 1, 2020, as an adjustment to the census numbers. But we find that nothing changes from the official apportionment, including New York losing a seat and Minnesota gaining it."
From the summary of abstract:
"While there are a host of factors that plausibly affected New York's congressional allotment in the 2020 census—including interstate migration, inadequate census outreach, low rates of census compliance (especially by minorities), as well as the particular rule adopted for reapportionment of the U.S. House of Representatives in 1941 (Balinski & Young, 1982; Balinski & Young, 2001; Owens, 1921), we show that there is an indubitable villain that both Democrats and Republicans in New York can agree to blame; namely COVID-19. This villain alone was enough to cost New York its 27th seat, which is 3.5 percent of its political clout. But it is only New York (on the losing side) and Minnesota (on the winning side) whose House delegation size was directly affected by the pandemic."
Note: those projections were based on Census figures and thus don't reflect the current Delta-caused distortions in impacts. But Cervas and Grofman did try to see if that might have made a difference through later adjustment, and suggest that it did not (in ways that were, kind of, discussed in this and other threads here in the contexts of differential impacts on various demographic and political communities):
"In the early phases of the pandemic the states that were most heavily hit were ones with substantial minority population concentrated in large cities. The deaths disproportionately occurred in states that voted for Joe Biden. Recently, death rates have been higher in mostly rural states that voted for Donald Trump, especially in states where the state government is under firm Republican control. By and large, these are the states where the vaccination rates are the lowest and past efforts to control the virus have been the least aggressive in terms of social distancing and mask requirements.10 We thought it might be possible that changes in the distribution of COVID-19 death rates since April 1, 2020 might have given us some different apportionment results if the apportionment base was taken to be the initial population counts minus COVID-19 deaths; we reran the apportionment subtracting COVID-19 deaths since April 1, 2020, as an adjustment to the census numbers. But we find that nothing changes from the official apportionment, including New York losing a seat and Minnesota gaining it."
Polkadotdress
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#winning
www.cnn.com
US travelers dropped from EU safe list as Covid cases surge
The European Union has advised member nations to reinstate Covid-related travel restrictions and halt nonessential travel from the United States and five other countries.
www.cnn.com
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
Darn...heard this was coming. It is a non-binding agreement so EU countries could still make their own rules, like allowing for vaccinated non-essential travel from the US. The article states this too...#winning
US travelers dropped from EU safe list as Covid cases surge
The European Union has advised member nations to reinstate Covid-related travel restrictions and halt nonessential travel from the United States and five other countries.
Polkadotdress
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Regardless, it's embarrassing that country of such greatness is once again showing its inability to get its act together.
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
I agree that the US only has themselves to blame...well, at least the intentionally unvaccinated to blame.
Heppenheimer
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If this were a track race, it looks like we took the far outside lane... which figuratively speaking, is exactly what we've done.
Correct, it is the pandemic of the unvaccinated. Hopefully with the FDA approval of Pfizer, companies going the get vaccinated or lose your job route, unvaccinated seeing their vacations options are getting more limited, this may push the percentages of anti-vaxxers who are healthy enough to roll up their sleeves and come to get a grip on reality . Kudos to Delta Air Lines in advising the staff who refuse to get vaccinated that their respective insurance rates will go up. The vaccinated staff insurance rates will remain the same.
Disney Experience
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Polio only moved from the gut into the CNS ( Central Nervous System) in 1 out of 200 cases. Once in CNS then the numbers you gave apply to that subset of cases.
So poliomyelitis (Polio) mortality rate for those infected is/was for adults 0.15% not 30%. Polio was nevertheless something people gladly accepted being vaccinated for and the risk of paralysis or death from Polio frightened people.
Is there a target # when they’ll drop the indoor masks?
disneygeek90
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When Demings first lifted the indoor restrictions for vaccinated individuals, it was a running 14 day average below 5%.
Wonder if/when we’ll get to that # in Florida?
disneygeek90
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17.86% is still dreadful. I don't expect it to get below 5% for several more months.
Note the 31,164 is a combined total from Saturday/Sunday -
"Florida on Monday reported 31,164 more COVID-19 cases and 902 deaths to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, according to Miami Herald calculations of CDC data.
All but eight of the newly reported deaths occurred after Aug. 2, with 70% of those people dying in the last two weeks, according to Herald calculations of data published by the CDC. The majority of deaths happened during Florida’s latest surge in COVID-19 cases, fueled by the delta variant."
"In the last seven days, on average, the state has added 262 deaths and 21,301 cases each day, according to Herald calculations.
The jump in the number of reported cases and deaths is due to the newest way deaths and cases are counted and the agency not reporting numbers on Sundays. The numbers include totals from the two weekend days."
"There were 15,788 people hospitalized for COVID-19 in Florida on Monday, according to data reported to the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services from 257 Florida hospitals. That is 10 more patients than Sunday’s COVID patient population, putting an end to a four-day streak of total hospitalized COVID patients decreasing.
COVID-19 patients also accounted for 27.45% of all hospital patients.
Of the people hospitalized in Florida, 3,494 were in intensive care unit beds, an increase of 17. That represents 53.12% of the state’s ICU hospital beds from 257 hospitals reporting."
"Florida on Monday reported 31,164 more COVID-19 cases and 902 deaths to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, according to Miami Herald calculations of CDC data.
All but eight of the newly reported deaths occurred after Aug. 2, with 70% of those people dying in the last two weeks, according to Herald calculations of data published by the CDC. The majority of deaths happened during Florida’s latest surge in COVID-19 cases, fueled by the delta variant."
"In the last seven days, on average, the state has added 262 deaths and 21,301 cases each day, according to Herald calculations.
The jump in the number of reported cases and deaths is due to the newest way deaths and cases are counted and the agency not reporting numbers on Sundays. The numbers include totals from the two weekend days."
"There were 15,788 people hospitalized for COVID-19 in Florida on Monday, according to data reported to the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services from 257 Florida hospitals. That is 10 more patients than Sunday’s COVID patient population, putting an end to a four-day streak of total hospitalized COVID patients decreasing.
COVID-19 patients also accounted for 27.45% of all hospital patients.
Of the people hospitalized in Florida, 3,494 were in intensive care unit beds, an increase of 17. That represents 53.12% of the state’s ICU hospital beds from 257 hospitals reporting."
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