Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Lilofan]

I am not going to get into a verbal match with you on why I do not agree. Again EVERYONE is entitled to there own opinion. With you it's always has to be agree with you.

That is a stretch and merely an opinion by your post which I don't agree to. If you don't care to elaborate on your sad emoji when asked that's ok.

 

[Chi84]

Vaccine Refusers Don’t Get to Dictate Terms Anymore — The Atlantic

People who opt out of shots shouldn’t expect their employers, health insurers, and fellow citizens to accommodate them.

apple.news

This is a pretty good article about the types of pressure being applied and the increasing consequences of continuing to refuse the vaccine. Eventually people will need to figure out how much they’re willing to pay and how much inconvenience they’re willing to accept.

 

[lazyboy97o]

My company is clear its personal choice. But its a smaller company without the pressures of social warriors. We actually had to make a list so if clients want a vaxed individual they can have that but were not forcing it on anybody. Because thats just not good.

Is it just not good that you nor any of your coworkers can’t get polio?

 

[Parker in NYC]

COVID-19 continues to be a leading cause of death in the U.S. in August 2021 - Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker

Note: An updated version of this analysis is here. COVID-19 was the third leading cause of death across most of 2020, but in December 2020 and early 2021, the illness surged and briefly became the number one leading cause of death in the U.S., far surpassing even cancer and heart disease deaths...

www.healthsystemtracker.org

Looks like it’s safer to get in a car! Yay, America. Who saw this coming? Not me… Just your average gal with anxiety.

 

[Chomama]

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COVID-19 continues to be a leading cause of death in the U.S. in August 2021 - Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker

Note: An updated version of this analysis is here. COVID-19 was the third leading cause of death across most of 2020, but in December 2020 and early 2021, the illness surged and briefly became the number one leading cause of death in the U.S., far surpassing even cancer and heart disease deaths...

www.healthsystemtracker.org

Looks like it’s safer to get in a car! Yay, America. Who saw this coming? Not me… Just your average gal with anxiety.

I keep telling my husband that my anxiety may be an annoyance but I have also been correct about all of my catastrophic thinking re: Covid. Turns out I’m very accurate during an emergency

 

[celluloid]

Just a heads up with Public School districts such as Lee County in SWFL, they are only posting positive case results that were found with the PCR. They are not counting tests that were positive if it was a RAPID Test. This skews the numbers. With this information skewed, the results are already at about 3 percent of the student body are testing positive. Arguably more for Faculty.

 

[Parker in NYC]

I keep telling my husband that my anxiety may be an annoyance but I have also been correct about all of my catastrophic thinking re: Covid. Turns out I’m very accurate during an emergency

Think of all the lost time the past year and a half facing laughter and eye rolls and jokes and lectures. I still say the current state of “thinking” will bring us another three years - at least - of this madness.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Think of all the lost time the past year and a half facing laughter and eye rolls and jokes and lectures. I still say the current state of “thinking” will bring us another three years - at least - of this madness.

Not at 150,000 cases a day, at this rate everyone will be vaccinated, have natural immunity, or be dead within a year.

 

[Chomama]

Not at 150,000 cases a day, at this rate everyone will be vaccinated, have natural immunity, or be dead within a year.

That’s a thought I discussed with my husband today. If half of cases are detected, back of the napping math ends this in florida by winter

 

[matt9112]

Is it just not good that you nor any of your coworkers can’t get polio?

Well polio (before the vaccine) had a mortality rate of 15-30% in adults. 5% in children. Furthermore a third of those that survived would be crippled for life.

As of the latest covid us numbers the mortality rate is less than 2% and theres no crippling effect to those that recover. So polio in the best case scenario (in children) is 3x deadlier and in adults much more so. We also have to look at the fact that the elderly are the majority of covid deaths. In lower age brackets the chance of death is minimal. Furthermore we know the reported cases are less than the actual case count so covid is even less deadly than these numbers suggest.

Hardly apples to apples. Spanish flu is probably a better like for like like analogy and even that was far deadlier.
But i mean sure? If you say so?

 

[matt9112]

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COVID-19 continues to be a leading cause of death in the U.S. in August 2021 - Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker

Note: An updated version of this analysis is here. COVID-19 was the third leading cause of death across most of 2020, but in December 2020 and early 2021, the illness surged and briefly became the number one leading cause of death in the U.S., far surpassing even cancer and heart disease deaths...

www.healthsystemtracker.org

Looks like it’s safer to get in a car! Yay, America. Who saw this coming? Not me… Just your average gal with anxiety.

Depends on your age...

 

[ohioguy]

I'm interested to see the effects of these forced vaccine mandates as employers struggle to find staffing.

Perhaps the goal is to cull the herd, so to speak. Get rid of undesirables from positions they have no intention of re-filling.

 

[ohioguy]

It would be a win for employers if the employers would make arrangements w health care providers for their employees to facilitate / make as convenient as possible getting vaccinated. Rather than threaten employees lively hood and careers.

The fed and the states have tried carrots; it's now time for sticks.

 

[ohioguy]

Well polio (before the vaccine) had a mortality rate of 15-30% in adults. 5% in children. Furthermore a third of those that survived would be crippled for life.

As of the latest covid us numbers the mortality rate is less than 2% and theres no crippling effect to those that recover. So polio in the best case scenario (in children) is 3x deadlier and in adults much more so. We also have to look at the fact that the elderly are the majority of covid deaths. In lower age brackets the chance of death is minimal. Furthermore we know the reported cases are less than the actual case count so covid is even less deadly than these numbers suggest.

Hardly apples to apples. Spanish flu is probably a better like for like like analogy and even that was far deadlier.
But i mean sure? If you say so?

The goal is also to lessen the pressure on the health care system, which continues to be crippled by Covid. Scientists are also worried about further mutations which might not be mitigated by the vaccine. The more vaccinated there are, the less chance of a deadlier mutation.

 

[ohioguy]

That’s a thought I discussed with my husband today. If half of cases are detected, back of the napping math ends this in florida by winter

Unless there's continued mutation and the vaccine and natural immunity mean zilch.

 

[Lilofan]

The goal is also to lessen the pressure on the health care system, which continues to be crippled by Covid. Scientists are also worried about further mutations which might not be mitigated by the vaccine. The more vaccinated there are, the less chance of a deadlier mutation.

The health care system is overridden with Covid patients.
Case in point, University of Mississippi Medical Center in Jackson, MS will be reopening their surge facility in the parking garage where vistitor/staff vehicle parking is. Doctors, nurses, respiratory therapists, etc will work inside the parking garage to care for covid patients. Whatever numbers, percentages , staff shortage pre covid that some throw out and which are true , this is a crisis in the hospital system.

 

[Lilofan]

Potential MIs or strokes have critical time windows when treatment needs to be initiated, so those patients will usually get immediate attention.

COVID? As long as they're oxygenating sufficiently and not in cardiorespiratory shock, they can wait.

Those are good points but some with mild covid symptoms waiting 13 hours at Tampa General ER? That's unacceptable.

 

[DisneyFan32]

The goal is also to lessen the pressure on the health care system, which continues to be crippled by Covid. Scientists are also worried about further mutations which might not be mitigated by the vaccine. The more vaccinated there are, the less chance of a deadlier mutation.

Hopefully by end of the year or 2022 as enough people will be vaccinated as kids 5-11 as less chance of a deadlier mutation.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Those are good points but some with mild covid symptoms waiting 13 hours at Tampa General ER? That's unacceptable.

That's life when capacity is stretched to the breaking point.

Not knowing the exact clinical details of those patients, but in general, if those were truly "mild" COVID symptoms then they should stay away from the ER anyway. Unless their oxygen saturation is critically low, or they're in shock, there's nothing the ER can do for them that self-care couldn't. And if they do become critical, that gets them through the door very quickly.

Unless, of course, ER's in FL are administering the monoclonal antibody infusions. But this procedure is pretty resource intensive. I can't imagine that an ER seeing 13 hour wait times has enough excess staff to run the infusions.

 

[DisneyCane]

Those are good points but some with mild covid symptoms waiting 13 hours at Tampa General ER? That's unacceptable.

They should ask Disney to share the code for the RotR virtual queue with them.