owlsandcoffee
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I'm fairly certain that is the basic plan, reskins of the BatB animatronics. They've already developed them. Beast for Louis, Human Beast for Naveen, Belle for Tiana. Saves money on R&D.
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News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure
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RSoxNo1
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Any humidity concerns here? I know the Na'vi Shaman operates close to water but that was previously a concern.
owlsandcoffee
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I know nothing about anything regarding AAs. I am sure that WDI has accounted for this. Is it something they need to account for, definitely.
RSoxNo1
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I'm sure they do when the original AAs were built for a water ride, I just didn't know if there were differences in the Beauty and the Beast AAs.
Disney has put some wildly impressive animatronics near water, I don't doubt their ability to do it.
owlsandcoffee
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That I'm not sure about!
GladToBeHear
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They know they have to at this point.
PizzaPlanet
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I hope they don't name the ride something ridiculous like "Princess and the Frog: Tiana's Enchanted Bayou Adventure!"
Captain Neo
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That video is so disrespectful to all the imagineers that worked on splash mountain and America sings. Not one mention of the preservation of the America Sings AAs the last project Marc Davis ever worked on.
Movielover
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Kirby86
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Yeah Disney is going to pretend that the current theme for the ride never existed if the behind the attraction show is still around when this project is finished they will gloss over the current theme if it's mentioned at all. As for this video although this is said to be for both Disneyland and Magic Kingdom it seems like the focus is mostly on Land.
Sir_Cliff
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My impression was always that Marc Davis was annoyed at Tony Baxter for using the America Sings figures in Splash Mountain. I don't think that was any happier a repurposing from his perspective than the Princess and the Frog redo is for a lot of people on here.
DCLcruiser
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Louisiana is supper mountainous (JK). I don't think it will ruin enough trips to make them demolish the mountain for a swamp.
I think Pacos Bill's could be redone as it takes us from the Gulf of Mexico (Pirates) and leads us West, towards Splash and Thunder Mt. Louisiana leads to the West.
Do you mean the cost to re-theme will be so great that it's a write-off?Wait, you think this re-theme is going to result in a net positive financially for TWDC?They aren't even going to break even on it.
Or do you mean that Tiana can't bring in enough revenue?
TikibirdLand
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Well, there's always Avery Island. It's about 160 feet above sea level. That could count as a "mountain" -- in Lousiana at least.
The Tabasco tie-in would make a great kiosk in the exit area.
Roger_the_pianist
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Isn't Splash Mountain just a hill? Chickapin Hill? There aren't a lot of significant mountains in central Georgia where Song of the South is set, especially heading south from Atlanta, which is where I gather Johnny's grandmother's plantation is located.
People making the arguments about no mountains in Louisiana, Tiana out of place in Frontierland, etc...are just people who don't want the new project to go forward because they are defending the "lost cause" of original Splash
People making the arguments about no mountains in Louisiana, Tiana out of place in Frontierland, etc...are just people who don't want the new project to go forward because they are defending the "lost cause" of original Splash
TikibirdLand
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I see what you did there. I like itPeople making the arguments about no mountains in Louisiana, Tiana out of place in Frontierland, etc...are just people who don't want the new project to go forward because they are defending the "lost cause" of original Splash
Ghost93
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Disney has really gone out of its way to avoid mentioning Song of the South as much as possible. While media outlets have made the connection that Disney is replacing Splash to get away from the SotS theme, in all press releases released by Disney related to the retheming there hasn't been anything said about SotS...just statements about the power of diversity and how Tiana is inclusive. I honestly don't think Disney will ever fully address the Song of the South controversy.
For example, in the Imagineering Story on Disney Plus, Angela Bassett makes one brief comment about how Splash Mountain is based on "an old, problematic movie called Song of the South" and she gives no further elaboration. The documentary did not explain:
1. Why Song of the South was problematic
2. Why Song of the South was chosen as a theme in the first place
3. How the Disney company's relationship with SotS has evolved since the development of Splash Mountain. SotS was released FOUR times between 1972 and 1986. In that era of Disney history, it was a profitable movie and generally regarded as a Disney classic by white Americans (it did still receive criticism from Black Americans, but the criticism wasn't as prevalent as the original 1946 release).
The documentary could have said how the ride wanted to capitalize on the Brer characters (which were popular in the parks at the time) while leaving behind the more offensive and racist aspects of the movie (The plantation setting, Uncle Remus, the Tar Baby, etc.). But Disney didn't do that because they didn't want people to dwell on Song of the South or the past mistakes they made.
I believe that once the retheme does happen, it would be a good opportunity for Disney to have a "Behind the Attraction" episode that explores the creation of the original Splash Mountain and thoroughly explains WHY it was problematic and why it was rethemed to Princess and the Frog. But knowing Disney, I doubt such a serious and uncomfortable topic like that will be addressed.
Captain Neo
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GA has Stone MountainIsn't Splash Mountain just a hill? Chickapin Hill? There aren't a lot of significant mountains in central Georgia where Song of the South is set, especially heading south from Atlanta, which is where I gather Johnny's grandmother's plantation is located.
People making the arguments about no mountains in Louisiana, Tiana out of place in Frontierland, etc...are just people who don't want the new project to go forward because they are defending the "lost cause" of original Splash
DCLcruiser
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Just let it fade into oblivion.
This is like history. You learn about the bad things, and the grey areas, in higher levels of learning. In school, at museums, etc. You don't need to rehash it in cartoons.
I agree Disney should use this as a teachable moment, and Hulu allows them to do it. That being said, the movie itself is an issue and they don't want to give it light, so it doesn't come up directly.
The updated ride will probably retain enough Splash elements to provide a nod to the nostalgia of the old ride.
LittleBuford
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Which looks nothing like Splash Mountain or Chickapin Hill.
Ghost93
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I'm not saying Disney should support/glorify Song of the South, because they shouldn't. I'm saying they should at some point release a documentary explaining what it was, why it happened and why it was a mistake. But as it is, the company has taken ridiculous lengths to avoid mentioning it.
They don't have to address it of course, but I think it would be a good move for the company to finally examine its history in a documentary format, explain how they've evolved as a company and then move on.
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