Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[disneygeek90]

Not recently, though? Costco's current policy is "strongly recommended" masks in areas of high spread.

The FT Myers incident was late June 2020. That's my parent's local Costco.

 

[DisneyCane]

Technically close to 60.7% of adults nationally and 59.1% in FL. So while FL is below average they actually aren’t bottom 10. I suspect part of the issue is FL heavily pushed the vaccinations for 65+ and due to a larger than avg number of 65+ (according to Family Guy FL is heavens waiting room) the adult percent is boosted. The under 65 crowd is the problem right now and FL is further from average there.

I also think the CDC numbers for FL are a little higher than reality. The official Florida report shows a lower percentage by a few percent since it only includes residents. The CDC I'm pretty sure counts a snowbird from NY who got vaccinated in FL as part of the FL percentage.

As of last Friday's report, Florida reported 61% of 12+ with at least one shot. The CDC shows 67.3%. There's no way that 6.3% of people over 11 in Florida got vaccinated since last Friday.

 

[LittleBuford]

Anyone not getting vaccinated is part of the problem..... for other people who aren't getting vaccinated. So... who cares?

Some here keep saying this, ignoring the fact that the impact on healthcare systems is to everyone’s detriment. ICU beds are a finite resource.

 

[correcaminos]

I mean, these vaccines DO work in the singular though. They're not 100% effective in the singular, of course, but if you were the only person on the planet with two doses of Pfizer and nobody else got vaccinated at all, it's still EXTREMELY effective.

Still very effective, but even better than if you were the only one. I will say people miss out the whole idea that vaccines are even better when all vaccinate. That's why we rarely see mumps even though it's only 88% effective with two doses of the MMR shot.

 

[LaughingGravy]

Some here keep saying this, ignoring the fact that the impact on healthcare systems is to everyone’s detriment. ICU beds are a finite resource.

In addition to the likelihood of another variant eventually popping up that evades the vaccine even worse than Delta increasing.

 

[correcaminos]

Some here keep saying this, ignoring the fact that the impact on healthcare systems is to everyone’s detriment. ICU beds are a finite resource.

And it sitll can affect the vaccinated... no vaccine is 100% effective. No to mention variants. So yes, they affect us all.

 

[DCBaker]

Current vaccination status for Orange County via Mayor Demings -

The 14-day rolling positivity rate is 20.83% (up 2.86 points from Monday).

Mayor Demings says between the two county testing sites, Orange County is taking ~3000 tests a day. Demings says that 4 of the events scheduled at the OCCC have been cancelled by the organizers.

Demings also announces he has extended the local State of Emergency for another 7 days.

 

[LittleBuford]

In addition to the likelihood of another variant eventually popping up that evades the vaccine even worse than Delta increasing.

That point is usually met with “Well, variants will be with us forever anyway.” The impact on hospitals seems to me the only counterargument that can’t be dismissed out of hand, yet people still ignore it.

 

[DCBaker]

Dr. Pino says the 12-17 age group with at least 1 dose of the vaccine is currently at 47% - a significant increase from a couple weeks ago. He also notes there is more positive news with a steady increase in vaccination for other ages.

 

[Texas84]

Some here keep saying this, ignoring the fact that the impact on healthcare systems is to everyone’s detriment. ICU beds are a finite resource.

COVID ICU beds are completely isolated from other ICU uses.

 

[GoofGoof]

There's also the seasonality component. July is when Florida, Texas, and Louisiana are indoors.

There is seasonality, but the overwhelming majority of cases are in the unvaccinated group so vaccination plays a huge part in this. There was no Summer bump in cases in Missouri last year but we are seeing that now.

 

[StarWarsGirl]

You guys went maskless at your workplaces? We've been full masks forever. Of course, we send out medical supplies, so it makes sense.

Yes. With no proof of vaccination required. That's why I have permission to work from home.

 

[GoofGoof]

If this is a real plateau and not the result of data reporting anomalies or severe lack of testing, it would indicate that there are a lot more naturally infected/protected people in Florida than thought. It would indicate the spike peaking much more quickly relative to India and the UK.

Looks like not real…over 20,000 again yesterday

 

[Lilofan]

COVID ICU beds are completely isolated from other ICU uses.

When hospitals are overrun, other sections of the hospital become covid wards. Some RNs that work in burn units had part of their work areas turn into covid wards last year.

 

[DonniePeverley]

Hopefully by next month or October things will be much better as improve as the cases will reach low.

On the contrary - we then have to deal with winter. It will be worst then.

 

[DCBaker]

"Florida reported 20,133 new COVID-19 cases, its second-highest single-day case count since the pandemic began last year as the state continues to see record-breaking hospitalizations for the fourth straight day."

"There were 12,888 people hospitalized for COVID-19 in Florida, breaking the state’s hospitalization record for the fourth day in a row, according to data from the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services as of 1:16 p.m. Thursday.

About 2,577 people were in intensive care, or nearly 40 percent of the state’s ICU hospital beds."

"Florida, which makes up about 6.5% of the U.S. population, accounted for nearly 22% of the country’s new cases on Wednesday, based on data the state is reporting to the CDC. The state’s seven-day average of new cases was 18,120, as of Aug. 4. The state also reported 84 new deaths."

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article253280648.html

 

[Andrew C]

"Florida reported 20,133 new COVID-19 cases, its second-highest single-day case count since the pandemic began last year as the state continues to see record-breaking hospitalizations for the fourth straight day."

"There were 12,888 people hospitalized for COVID-19 in Florida, breaking the state’s hospitalization record for the fourth day in a row, according to data from the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services as of 1:16 p.m. Thursday.

About 2,577 people were in intensive care, or nearly 40 percent of the state’s ICU hospital beds."

"Florida, which makes up about 6.5% of the U.S. population, accounted for nearly 22% of the country’s new cases on Wednesday, based on data the state is reporting to the CDC. The state’s seven-day average of new cases was 18,120, as of Aug. 4. The state also reported 84 new deaths."

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article253280648.html

I still don't get why delta is hitting Florida so much harder than other states, even when comparing to California and Texas who have had jumps of their own. Just more people mingling in summer or what? They aren't the worst with vaccinations.

 

[DCBaker]

Mayor Demings says they are looking into a third county testing site and there may be an announcement soon - he notes the state has not offered any help with additional testing locations. The new testing site has also had to close early due to hitting capacity.

 

[LittleBuford]

COVID ICU beds are completely isolated from other ICU uses.

The total number of beds is finite. If more beds are earmarked for COVID use, fewer remain available for other purposes.

 

[Disney Experience]

I don't follow the 3x faster math of yours. But I suck at math.

Let's be real here too. Pfizer is more global and has been around longer and in more places with Delta running wild

I think also age and health has to go into mixes for certain things. If you are 55-60+ your immune system is different. I don't think it's as black and white as you are stating and I would be rather shocked if these two are really as you are saying with times. They are too close in technology to be that different.

Pfizer loses 3% effectiveness per month according to their own 6 month Phase 3 trial analysis ( see preliminary study results I linked about a week ago).

Moderna reported yesterday ( See link I had in an earlier message today) in their Q2 presentation that their 6 month analysis of their Phase 3 trial showed a 1% decline per month.

Different is 1% vs 3% decline . Therefore 3X different in their decline rate.

What factors may influence that are definitely debatable. But where Pfizer is being used now vs Moderna only effects clinical results. The Phase 3 trials tried to remove many factors ( when placebo was in effect). Pfizer’s Phase 3 did include parts of Europe and Turkey. It did not include Israel from my recollection.

Neither analysis includes the more recent Delta on effectiveness.