Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[LaughingGravy]

Anger is understandable. Frustration. Helplessness. All normal. Like many things, going too far one way isn't great though. I've been called a downer more than once, and also here only people accusing me of not caring about others because I wasn't being totally pessimistic (which amuses me more than the former). If it brings you too low and too dark, that's not good nor healthy either.

I see your point. There's the topic "AITA" -Am I The *******?"
After all this, there are also those who may say some of us have an issue if we don't care about those adults getting sick who shunned the vaccine, even as late as yesterday. "Oh, don't be like that." Like what? Ticked off? Glad the stupid is leaving the gene pool?

 

[GoofGoof]

Vaccine update:

Exactly 4 weeks past the Biden administration’s target date of July 4th, on August 1 we reached 70% of adults with at least 1 shot. The effort now is to focus on the almost 1/3 of Americans 12+ who are eligible but haven’t even gotten one shot. Delta has lit a fire under some unvaccinated people but not enough. Hopefully full FDA approval combined with additional mandates from employers moves the needle up more. I still think a final stimulus tied to vaccination could help too.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

It reads as a dog whistle. Most people who have a real issue know. It changes the baseline from “Get vaccinated” to “Maybe”.

I went to my doctor last week with concerns after taking the vaccine... he did not say I should have 100% taken the vaccine. He said he’s supposed to tell everyone to get it but that he doesn’t feel that way. I didn’t really question him on that because my decision was already made but not all doctors think 100% of people should get the vaccine.

 

[DCBaker]

For anyone else local, Mayor Demings is going to announce a second location for county testing later this afternoon due to Barnett Park being overwhelmed.

 

[correcaminos]

It reads as a dog whistle. Most people who have a real issue know. It changes the baseline from “Get vaccinated” to “Maybe”.

AdventHealth does have a dedicated pediatric hospital in Orlando as part of their massive central campus.

To each their own. I don't have issues with a blanket statement acknowledging that one should talk to their doctor if needed

Remember I'm hugely into vaccinations too. So not all of us are using it as you imply. Not everything is always known. But that's me.

 

[LaughingGravy]

I went to my doctor last week with concerns after taking the vaccine... he did not say I should have 100% taken the vaccine. He said he’s supposed to tell everyone to get it but that he doesn’t feel that way. I didn’t really question him on that because my decision was already made but not all doctors think 100% of people should get the vaccine.

In the same way it's suggested that people listen to the concerns of the unvaccinated, I'd like to hear the reasoning of the doctor mentioned for not feeling that way.
I suspect that doctor influences more people over the course of a day than I do, if that's their response when asked by folks if they should take the vaccine, unless there are legitimate medical reasons for someone to not take it.

 

[RobbinsDad]

I went to my doctor last week with concerns after taking the vaccine... he did not say I should have 100% taken the vaccine. He said he’s supposed to tell everyone to get it but that he doesn’t feel that way. I didn’t really question him on that because my decision was already made but not all doctors think 100% of people should get the vaccine.

Therein lies the most dangerous threat to vaccination rates in America - healthcare professional discordance. Practitioners should be made to publicize their stance on vaccinations for all consumers to see. No more hiding their conspiratorial beliefs in exam room conversations. If they can't be made to get on the same page as the rest of the medical community, then Medicare should remove them from their list of approved practitioners, and hopefully large insurers would follow suit.

 

[Epcotfan21]

I saw this in the NYT yesterday about the rise in RSV.

In addition to Covid, more children are getting a respiratory virus more commonly seen in winter.

An outbreak of respiratory syncytial virus, combined with growing Covid-19 pediatric cases, is straining hospital resources in some U.S. cities.

www.nytimes.com

Our pediatrician said they're seeing an abnormal amount of RSV cases this summer. Our 2 year old got it. Lots and lots of RSV cases in the South East right now.

 

[ABQ]

For anyone else local, Mayor Demings is going to announce a second location for county testing later this afternoon due to Barnett Park being overwhelmed.

The volume of people going out for testing is really peeking my curiosity. I would love to know if they are all feeling symptoms or are people just showing up because they are wondering if they may have an asymptomatic case?

 

[Chi84]

I went to my doctor last week with concerns after taking the vaccine... he did not say I should have 100% taken the vaccine. He said he’s supposed to tell everyone to get it but that he doesn’t feel that way. I didn’t really question him on that because my decision was already made but not all doctors think 100% of people should get the vaccine.

You didn't question your doctor on why he doesn't believe everyone should get the vaccine? I mean, that's what is being advised by every scientist and public health expert out there. Weren't you the least bit curious as to why he is taking a different position? You were right there, in the office, asking questions about the vaccine and your curiosity was satisfied as soon as the doctor said he thinks not everyone should get it?

 

[hopemax]

City of Denver, and I wouldn't be surprised if it extends to the rest of the metro area

 

[disneygeek90]

The volume of people going out for testing is really peeing my curiosity. I would love to know if they are all feeling symptoms or are people just showing up because they are wondering if they may have an asymptomatic case?

With a % positive nearing 20% when we were holding under 4% only a few months ago, I don't think it's mostly people just showing up asymptomatic.

 

[carolina_yankee]

The focus is on Cape Cod because it was used by the CDC to determine that there a a large risk of fully vaccinated people spreading the Delta variant to other fully vaccinated people. The spread in FL (at least based on information from Orange County) is over 96% being spread to unvaccinated people.

Conditions like whatever activities were going on at the Cape Cod gathering might be necessary for Delta to spread so efficiently between fully vaccinated people. As I said in an earlier post, they also need to investigate things like were these people taking medications that they had in common or illegal substances which may have reduced vaccine efficacy.

The CDC said that they changed guidance to "fully vaccinated should wear masks indoors" based on a study in India where people are vaccinated by a different vaccine and the Cape Cod cluster. I think it's time to focus more on Cape Cod, not less.

You're missing a key part of the story. The vaccinated can also spread the virus to the *unvaccinated.* Vaccination still protects one from getting seriously ill. Indeed, the vaccinated can be chock full of virus in the nasal cavities and not know it. The issue isn't that the vaccinated are at high risk for getting ill. It's that they are now no longer a block in the spread of COVID thanks to Delta.

People clustering anywhere without masks and distancing and lack of knowledge of the vaccinated status of others makes it unsafe to gather without protection. Period. If the vaccinated are getting infected in Cape Cod, they are getting infected in every bar, dance club and other indoor close-action environment in the country.

People are looking for any excuse they can find to avoid doing the right thing to protect others. Meanwhile, numbers are going through the roof, which means the problem isn't theoretical. It's real. And we know how to mitigate it - vaccinate, mask, distance. And since we can't trust people to make and distance based on on the honor system, now everybody has to do it.

 

[ABQ]

With a % positive nearing 20% when we were holding under 4% only a few months ago, I don't think it's mostly people just showing up asymptomatic.

Say 100 people show up, even at 20%, that mean 80 of the 100 are negative, what drove them to show up? Assuming the numbers are far more than 100 people, that means even that many more showed up why? I'm not saying they don't shouldn't go, just wondering what makes them go?

 

[disneygeek90]

Say 100 people show up, even at 20%, that mean 80 of the 100 are negative, what drove them to show up? Assuming the numbers are far more than 100 people, that means even that many more showed up why? I'm not saying they don't shouldn't go, just wondering what makes them go?

I would guess it's people needing to in order to travel, doing so prior to seeing an at risk individual, or has known contact with someone who is positive.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

You didn't question your doctor on why he doesn't believe everyone should get the vaccine? I mean, that's what is being advised by every scientist and public health expert out there. Weren't you the least bit curious as to why he is taking a different position? You were right there, in the office, asking questions about the vaccine and your curiosity was satisfied as soon as the doctor said he thinks not everyone should get it?

I was there because I was concerned with potential side effects - I wasn’t there to question a vaccine I already got.

He’s part of the #1 rated office in my town which is part of a larger network.

It’s scary that people want medical professionals to lose their jobs if they don’t agree with the “official” take.

 

[dreday3]

I was there because I was concerned with potential side effects - I wasn’t there to question a vaccine I already got.

He’s part of the #1 rated office in my town which is part of a larger network.

It’s scary that people want medical professionals to lose their jobs if they don’t agree with the “official” take.

I think if a medical professional is not vaccinated - they shouldn't be working.

How horrifying would it be if an unvaccinated medical worker had contact with sick patients and gave them Covid.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I think if a medical professional is not vaccinated - they shouldn't be working.

How horrifying would it be if an unvaccinated medical worker had contact with sick patients and gave them Covid.

There are quite a few medical professionals who are not vaccinated. Vaccinated can pass covid along to unvaccinated as well can’t they?

 

[dreday3]

There are quite a few medical professionals who are not vaccinated. Vaccinated can pass covid along to unvaccinated as well can’t they?

I know there are. They shouldn't be working. I think it's shameful to be part of the medical profession and not be vaccinated.
Luckily hospital systems in many places are now mandating Covid vaccinations for their employees.

 

[DCBaker]