Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[ImperfectPixie]

Some people are unwilling to believe that COVID simply is not the threat it once was (it's not, no where near it in fact). We need to start coming to grips that we're probably all going to get infected with a COVID variant at some point. Maybe not this year, or next year, but at some point. And you'll continue to get vaccinated to make sure it presents as a common cold. Because it isn't going away and we're not distancing/masking again. There really is no other way out.

Everyone in this thread has been infected with a coronavirus in the past. You didn't know it because you didn't care. But all of a sudden because it's "COVID-19" you care even though you have basically a guarantee (vaccination) that it will present the same was as the previous countless times you were infected with coronavirus (common cold).

How many of you have a cold right now? There's a decent chance it's a human coronavirus; just not SARS-CoV-2.

Eradication is impossible. Avoiding exposure forever is also impossible. Get vaccinated and live your life. Get your boosters and then live your life some more. It's okay to get a cold.

Edit:

To be clear, I am speaking to immune (vaccinated, previously infected) people only. COVID is not always a common cold for people who have not been exposed or vaccinated.

NOTHING is a guarantee. You can be vaccinated and still become severely ill.

Keep talking as if COVID is over and no longer a concern. I'm sure it makes all those who have loved ones who are still recovering or who lost loved ones (there are many here) feel just great.

The fact of the matter is that Delta is more infectious and is targeting younger age groups in larger numbers. I'm pretty sure the doctor you chose not to believe already said that, as did the article I posted this morning...which was conveniently ignored.

 

[Disney Glimpses]

NOTHING is a guarantee. You can be vaccinated and still become severely ill.

Keep talking as if COVID is over and no longer a concern. I'm sure it makes all those who have loved ones who are still recovering or who lost loved ones (there are many here) feel just great.

Nothing is ever a guarantee. That is not unique to COVID-19. Your odds of serious disease from COVID-19 after vaccination are lower than probably a dozen other things you've done today already.

I didn't say it wasn't a concern, I said it's not the same disease once you've been vaccinated. Those people you mentioned should feel great in regards to there being a tool to prevent the pain and suffering they and their loved ones felt from occurring in other people.

 

[Disney Experience]

It will be interesting to see if clinical data in the future supports the lab results as reported in cell about how people( technically their serum) who have had prior versions of covid ( not the vaccines) may not be producing effective neutralizing antibodies to delta ( B.1.617.2 ) and therefore prone to reinfection.

Of more concern was neutralization of B.1.617.2 by sera from people infected previously with B.1.351 and P.1, with 4 of 14 and 10 of 17 showing complete absence of neutralization of B.1.617.2, respectively. Although, in some cases, neutralization was knocked out for B.1.617.2, some sera showed almost no change in neutralization between B.1.315 or P.1 and the Victoria strain; determining at an epitope level how sera from these individuals differentially recognize variant viruses will be interesting. These results suggest that there is a risk of reinfection with B.1.617.2 in individuals infected previously by variants B.1.351 and P.1.

DEFINE_ME

 

[Disney Glimpses]

It will be interesting to see if clinical data in the future supports the lab results as reported in cell about how people( technically their serum) who have had prior versions of covid ( not the vaccines) may not be producing effective neutralizing antibodies to delta ( B.1.617.2 ) and therefore prone to reinfection.

Breakthrough infections to this stay are still exponentially more common in vaccinated people than people who have been previously infected. Every day we hear more and more about breakthrough infections in vaccinated people and not a murmur about a reinfection. Antibodies are just one piece of immunity. It is a far more complicated and robust process. Study after study shows that "vaccination provides better protection" but in the community the data strongly supports the opposite.

 

[Disney Glimpses]

as did the article I posted this morning...which was conveniently ignored.

The article you posted was in regards to the UK; as everyone fear mongering Delta does. Never articles about the United States. We have different levels of natural immunity and different vaccines. We aren't the UK.

By the way, UK hospitalizations are no where even near where they were this past winter.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

The article you posted was in regards to the UK; as everyone fear mongering Delta does. Never articles about the United States. We have different levels of natural immunity and different vaccines. We aren't the UK.

By the way, UK hospitalizations are no where even near where they were this past winter.

No, it wasn't. The article I posted was in regards to Mississippi and an increase in children being admitted to hospitals.

 

[Disney Glimpses]

No, it wasn't. The article I posted was in regards to Mississippi and an increase in children being admitted to hospitals.

That article was debunked. There was misinformation reported. The number of kids on ventilators is not 10, it is 2. And there are a total of 7 kids in the entire state of 3 million people hospitalized. Sad, but truly an outlier.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

That article was debunked. There was misinformation reported. The ICU number is not 10. It's 2.

I wasn't referring to the ICU number. I was referring to the doctor who said there's been an increase in pediatric cases being admitted to the hospital...that doesn't automatically mean the ICU.

 

[Jrb1979]

I was right in leaving this thread. The amount of condescending posts towards others is unbelievable. Too many people that only care about themselves. It's been that way since this started. It's not wonder vaccination rates are low. Way too many don't care.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Got it, so some people can live under a bridge when they lose their jobs protecting the anti vax crowd in this country, who could care less about anyone.

It’s a global pandemic. It’s impacting everyone. Until my surgery last month I was working 1/4 if what I was a year ago. Now I’m not working at all. My job is still strictly regulated indoors (we require renting space from places like churches that are not currently renting to outside vendors). The longer the pandemic goes on, the worse off the outlook becomes. Vaxing, masking, distancing all combine to stop the pandemic. (The latter two necessary until all ages can be vaccinated). My work centers in the age groups that currently are not allowed to be vaccinated. So I’m pretty much SOL until those vaxxes are available, and rental options open again.

 

[Disney Glimpses]

I wasn't referring to the ICU number. I was referring to the doctor who said there's been an increase in pediatric cases being admitted to the hospital...that doesn't automatically mean the ICU.

There are a total of 7 kids hospitalized in Mississippi...

 

[ImperfectPixie]

There are a total of 7 kids hospitalized in Mississippi...

Whatever. You apparently know better than people who work in medicine and related fields. Have a good night.

 

[Disney Glimpses]

Whatever. You apparently know better than people who work in medicine and related fields. Have a good night.

Huh? What are you talking about? So let me get this straight: someone in your article says "there's an increase in pediatric hospitalizations" and you say wow that is scary. And then you look up the real number and it is 7.

But because a doctor said its increasing and they are alarmed, it makes that 7 extra, extra scary?

The number is 7. That is a fact. Someones feelings about it doesn't change that fact. Whether you work in "medicine and related fields" or not. It's not rocket science. The number is quite low.

 

[danlb_2000]

No, it wasn't. The article I posted was in regards to Mississippi and an increase in children being admitted to hospitals.

Sorry, that article had no useful data. It said 7 children were currently in ICU's in Mississippi, but there is no data to compare that to, to say if that is a high number or low numbers. There was also no information on their ages, vaccination status, underlying conditions etc. This also doesn't appear to be reflected in the CDC data as of July 3.

It is a concerning data point, but doesn't tell the whole story.

 

[Disney Experience]

Some people are unwilling to believe that COVID simply is not the threat it once was (it's not, no where near it in fact). We need to start coming to grips that we're probably all going to get infected with a COVID variant at some point. Maybe not this year, or next year, but at some point. And you'll continue to get vaccinated to make sure it presents as a common cold. Because it isn't going away and we're not distancing/masking again. There really is no other way out.

Everyone in this thread has been infected with a coronavirus in the past. You didn't know it because you didn't care. But all of a sudden because it's "COVID-19" you care even though you have basically a guarantee (vaccination) that it will present the same was as the previous countless times you were infected with coronavirus (common cold).

How many of you have a cold right now? There's a decent chance it's a human coronavirus; just not SARS-CoV-2. In fact, right now, you're more likely to become infected with four coronaviruses that are not COVID-19.

Eradication is impossible. Avoiding exposure forever is also impossible. Get vaccinated and live your life. Get your boosters and then live your life some more. It's okay to get a cold - even if it's COVID-19.

Edit:

To be clear, I am speaking to immune (vaccinated, previously infected) people only. COVID is not always a common cold for people who have not been exposed or vaccinated.

Being fully vaccinated 10 months ago with detectable antibodies from vaccine back in June two weeks before I came down moderate covid, I can say in my case it was a lot worse than any common cold I had in my life.

102.9 fever for a week. SpO2 dropping into the 80s for two weeks Dropped 20lbs in two weeks. Could not breath, took forever (weakness) to get from bed to toliet. Dizzy, brain fog. Still have a dry cough almost a month later.

Again fully vaccinated and actually part of Pfizer Phase 3 trial.

Before I got covid ( likely delta ) I thought being fully vaccinated and covid free for so long the worst scenario for me would be mild or asymptomatic if I ever was exposed to enough virus. That is not what happened and definitely much worse than a cold. (I still expect and hope that for most vaccinated they would either neutralize, be asymptomatic, or at worse mild. But I am an example of a different outcome)

 

[Disney Glimpses]

Being fully vaccinated 10 months ago with detectable antibodies from vaccine back in June two weeks before I came down moderate covid, I can say in my case it was a lot worse than any common cold I had in my life.

102.9 fever for a week. SpO2 dropping into the 80s for two weeks Dropped 20lbs in two weeks. Could not breath, took forever (weakness) to get from bed to toliet. Dizzy, brain fog. Still have a dry cough almost a month later.

Again fully vaccinated and actually part of Pfizer Phase 3 trial.

Before I got covid ( likely delta ) I thought being fully vaccinated and covid free for so long the worst scenario for me would be mild or asymptomatic if I ever was exposed to enough virus. That is not what happened and definitely much worse than a cold. (I still expect and hope that for most vaccinated they would either neutralize, be asymptomatic, or at worse mild. But I am an example of a different outcome)

You call this "moderate" COVID? Your vaccination experience is not common. If what you are suggesting is common across everyone who is vaccinated, the vaccine is an utter failure against Delta. Our data says it's not. O2 stats in the 80s is not 'moderate.'

 

[danlb_2000]

I wasn't referring to the ICU number. I was referring to the doctor who said there's been an increase in pediatric cases being admitted to the hospital...that doesn't automatically mean the ICU.

Where did you see that? It was not in the Mississippi article.

 

[Disney Experience]

You call this "moderate" COVID?

Guidelines say mild is a fever less than 100 and something. Moderate is a fever above 100 and something. Severe same as moderate. They all list other symptoms too ( I had them all but no loss of taste or smell ) Critical is pretty much oxygen and respirator. I will look for the cdc link and edit onto here.

 

[lisa12000]

The article you posted was in regards to the UK; as everyone fear mongering Delta does. Never articles about the United States. We have different levels of natural immunity and different vaccines. We aren't the UK.

By the way, UK hospitalizations are no where even near where they were this past winter.

All the under 40s in the UK are vaccinated with Pfizer and Moderna - the vast majority of cases of delta are in the under 40s - the different types of vaccines have NOTHING to do with different spread in the UK and the US. We have graphs on our coronavirus dashboard which shows the levels of vaccinations in an area, down to our wards (of around 5000 people) the negative correlation between this and infections rates is stark - some of our major cities have less than 50% of people with 1 vaccine shot - and some of the highest rates of Covid. How do you know you have different levels of immunity? our testing was terrible to start with, we literally only tested very poorly symptomatic people - I would guess that levels of natural immunity are very similar, and even if lower right now we have more cases than you per day right now.

Dont think that this wont explode - it will. Our hospitalisation rate yes is much lower but we have another issue as well. Many hospitals are now reporting record numbers of children and young people being admitted for other respiratory illnesses - dampened immune systems, social isolation over here, and stress and anxiety are a perfect storm of a rise in infections in the younger age groups.

We currently have 800,000 children off school either with Covid, suspected Covid or due to close contact with a case - the are of spread is crazy! My friend is a teacher and she showed me a pic of her year 12 (17 year olds) - there are 22 in her class and 2 days after the photo was taken 5 tested positive - and by a week after, every single one of them had! The photo was outside and they were grouped together for less than 5 mins! now this isnt fear mongering, im not scared or worried, im off to the west end on Friday to go to the theatre, then off to Windsor castle, and shopping and nice meals - but believe me we are genuinely being told to expect 100,000 cases a day by mid august! then it will start to burn itself out.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Is there any research showing masks efficacy in regards to delta versus previous strains?

The burden to provide evidence is on you as you are making the claim.