Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[lazyboy97o]

Is there any research showing masks efficacy in regards to delta versus previous strains?

The burden to provide evidence is on you as you are making the claim.

 

[Disney Experience]

You call this "moderate" COVID? Your vaccination experience is not common. If what you are suggesting is common across everyone who is vaccinated, the vaccine is an utter failure against Delta. Our data says it's not. O2 stats in the 80s is not 'moderate.'

You are right it was not just moderate ( I used to say it was moderate to severe, then just started saying moderate) Looking at NIH guidelines it was severe not moderate. Due to my SpO2 average numbers. ( 92 to 90. Dropped to 80s if I walked)

Clinical Spectrum | COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines

Learn how SARS-CoV-2 infection is categorized by severity of illness.

www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov

 

[Disney Glimpses]

You are right it was not just moderate ( I used to say it was moderate to severe, then just started saying moderate) Looking at NIH guidelines it was severe not moderate. Due to my SpO2 average numbers.

Clinical Spectrum | COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines

Learn how SARS-CoV-2 infection is categorized by severity of illness.

www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov

Sorry to hear that, I hope you are doing better.

 

[Heppenheimer]

I'm not arguing? You haven't posted any data. I was asking for the data regarding Delta, I haven't seen it and you have not shared it but continue to say that it is more deadly in younger people. In fact, the only one who has posted data is me and you continue to ignore it. Hospitalizations among young people are at an all time low. It is a fact. Right on the CDC website. This is a really good thing, I don't know why we want it to not be true.

Regarding the doctor, again, I did not dismiss their medical expertise. I dismissed the notion that what they are seeing in their own practice is representative of an entire nation of 325 million people.

And as I noted, as well as practicing medicine, I serve on a committee that evaluates local, state, national and international trends and data for our hospital. So, yes, I did provide personal anecdotes (because some people respond better to these than data), but these anecdotes are not aberations. They largely follow national trends.

 

[Disney Glimpses]

And as I noted, as well as practicing medicine, I serve on a committee that evaluates local, state, national and international trends and data for our hospital. So, yes, I did provide personal anecdotes (because some people respond better to these than data), but these anecdotes are not aberations. They largely follow national trends.

Thank you for clarifying, apologies if I misunderstood.

 

[Trauma]

It’s a global pandemic. It’s impacting everyone. Until my surgery last month I was working 1/4 if what I was a year ago. Now I’m not working at all. My job is still strictly regulated indoors (we require renting space from places like churches that are not currently renting to outside vendors). The longer the pandemic goes on, the worse off the outlook becomes. Vaxing, masking, distancing all combine to stop the pandemic. (The latter two necessary until all ages can be vaccinated). My work centers in the age groups that currently are not allowed to be vaccinated. So I’m pretty much SOL until those vaxxes are available, and rental options open again.

I have a question for you because I respect your opinion.

Vaccine is available to all children.

We both know that many children won’t be getting it.

Your child will be vaccinated.

The disease will still be here non vaccinated children and adults will still be getting sick and dying.

Will you want to return to normal at this point?

If the return to normal requires the elimination of this virus than I fear that day will not come.

 

[Trauma]

The burden to provide evidence is on you as you are making the claim.

I’m not making the claim. I’m asking a question because I don’t know.

Don’t you want to know or is accurate data not important to you?

 

[danlb_2000]

And as I noted, as well as practicing medicine, I serve on a committee that evaluates local, state, national and international trends and data for our hospital. So, yes, I did provide personal anecdotes (because some people respond better to these than data), but these anecdotes are not aberations. They largely follow national trends.

I trust your word, but I would really like to see the data on this. Unless the spike has started in the last 10 days, which it may very well have, it doesn't show in the CDC data..

 

[danlb_2000]

I’m not making the claim. I’m asking a question because I don’t know.

Don’t you want to know or is accurate data not important to you?

I would assume that the masks would block the virus equally well no matter the variant, but the delta may require much fewer particles to make you sick.

 

[Disney Experience]

Sorry to hear that, I hope you are doing better.

Doing better other than dry cough. Pfizer has a sample from when I had covid ( They overnighted a swab for me when I could not find the swab they gave me in September) , so they can sequence it or do what they want with it. Hopefully it helps in the design of future boosters.

I do not know for sure what variant I had and Pfizer only tells study subjects whether they detected covid not any other data they decide to get from study trial samples.

Concerning those saying my results are not aligned with existing data. Being one of the first 15000 vaccinated in the world with Pfizer and part of the phase 3 trial , what happens to me partly makes up the data. Israel being a good real world model is a bigger sample space than the original 15000. Israel is showing much less effectiveness of the vaccine vs delta. Lab studies are showing the same.

But that does not mean the vaccine does not help or that they do not decrease symptoms. I am glad I was vaccinated, and glad I am in the study.

 

[seascape]

I have a question for you because I respect your opinion.

Vaccine is available to all children.

We both know that many children won’t be getting it.

Your child will be vaccinated.

The disease will still be here non vaccinated children and adults will still be getting sick and dying.

Will you want to return to normal at this point?

If the return to normal requires the elimination of this virus than I fear that day will not come.

The return to normal must not be stopped or delayed. We have the vaccine and the ability to take it. Taking it will protect 90% or more of the population from danger. If those who refuse to take it get sick, that is the result of their own informed decision. Anyone, who does not have a legitimate medical reason for not getting vaccinated should be refused medical care unless they pay for it themselves and the debt must not be allowed to be included in a bankruptcy. People who make stupid choices must live with and pay for their decisions.

 

[DisneyFan32]

 

[Trauma]

I would assume that the masks would block the virus equally well no matter the variant, but the delta may require much fewer particles to make you sick.

Explain this to me like I’m an idiot.

If people with delta shed a lot more virus wouldn’t it make sense there is a greater chance of a particle escaping?

Most people don’t wear n95 where I live.

I’m not saying masks don’t work, what I am saying is if masks don’t work very well against Delta we darn well should know.

 

[Figgy1]

Being fully vaccinated 10 months ago with detectable antibodies from vaccine back in June two weeks before I came down moderate covid, I can say in my case it was a lot worse than any common cold I had in my life.

102.9 fever for a week. SpO2 dropping into the 80s for two weeks Dropped 20lbs in two weeks. Could not breath, took forever (weakness) to get from bed to toliet. Dizzy, brain fog. Still have a dry cough almost a month later.

Again fully vaccinated and actually part of Pfizer Phase 3 trial.

Before I got covid ( likely delta ) I thought being fully vaccinated and covid free for so long the worst scenario for me would be mild or asymptomatic if I ever was exposed to enough virus. That is not what happened and definitely much worse than a cold. (I still expect and hope that for most vaccinated they would either neutralize, be asymptomatic, or at worse mild. But I am an example of a different outcome)

I hope you're doing better and have no long term problems

 

[Angel Ariel]

I have a question for you because I respect your opinion.

Vaccine is available to all children.

We both know that many children won’t be getting it.

Your child will be vaccinated.

The disease will still be here non vaccinated children and adults will still be getting sick and dying.

Will you want to return to normal at this point?

If the return to normal requires the elimination of this virus than I fear that day will not come.

Ive never been looking for the elimination of the virus. That’s rare, and unlikely at this point given the variants.

Everyone having the choice to take the vaccine or not is the threshold for me. Yes, there are those who won’t be able to take it ever for medical reasons, and I have no doubt they will continue to use mitigation strategies as needed. There have always been homebound programs available through public schools for children who can’t be in the building for medical reasons (think children receiving cancer treatments, etc). The genie is out of the bottle on working remotely for so many jobs, where previously it was “impossible” (the disability community is pointing this out constantly during the pandemic). That genie is never going back in the bottle.

Yes, we have to adjust to this vaccine being here. And I’m happy to further that adjustment when protection is optional for all ages.

 

[Trauma]

Ive never been looking for the elimination of the virus. That’s rare, and unlikely at this point given the variants.

Everyone having the choice to take the vaccine or not is the threshold for me. Yes, there are those who won’t be able to take it ever for medical reasons, and I have no doubt they will continue to use mitigation strategies as needed. There have always been homebound programs available through public schools for children who can’t be in the building for medical reasons (think children receiving cancer treatments, etc). The genie is out of the bottle on working remotely for so many jobs, where previously it was “impossible” (the disability community is pointing this out constantly during the pandemic). That genie is never going back in the bottle.

Yes, we have to adjust to this vaccine being here. And I’m happy to further that adjustment when protection is optional for all ages.

For clarity once the FDA approves the vaccine for all ages, and we have had time to vaccinate, all restrictions should end ?

Does anyone reading this disagree with this stance ?

 

[Angel Ariel]

For clarity once the FDA approves the vaccine for all ages, and we have had time to vaccinate, all restrictions should end ?

I expect that they will at that point - they pretty much are now in my state and we aren’t at that point yet. No mask mandates (save for schools right now anyway, I expect that will end before September), no capacity restrictions, state of emergency lifted, no distancing requirements..

 

[Disney Glimpses]

Explain this to me like I’m an idiot.

If people with delta shed a lot more virus wouldn’t it make sense there is a greater chance of a particle escaping?

Most people don’t wear n95 where I live.

I’m not saying masks don’t work, what I am saying is if masks don’t work very well against Delta we darn well should know.

In theory, higher viral load means higher spread which means odds of exposure increase despite use of mitigation techniques (masks, distancing).

 

[Trauma]

For clarity once the FDA approves the vaccine for all ages, and we have had time to vaccinate, all restrictions should end ?

I expect that they will at that point - they pretty much are now in my state and we aren’t at that point yet. No mask mandates (save for schools right now anyway, I expect that will end before September), no capacity restrictions, state of emergency lifted, no distancing requirements..

Yes but once they approve it for all ages you personally agree that restrictions should end?

 

[Angel Ariel]

Yes but once they approve it for all ages you personally agree that restrictions should end?

Barring any other unforeseen changes (like a vaccine resistant variant), yes at that point I would agree. I don’t think it will ever go away