Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[BuddyThomas]

Eh... I don’t think it’s selfish to be hesitant, especially with so much information and misinformation running around.

Yes it is selfish. The only misinformation running around is coming from the anti-vaxxers. I’m fully vaxxed, and I’ve already been on two vacations - Las Vegas (see trip report section for details) where it was mobbed and totally unmasked, and Fire Island, where the average crowd was this close together:

Statistically, it is almost impossible to imagine that all of those people are vaccinated. Probably most, but not all, and those who are not are playing Russian Roulette. And possibly putting others around them in danger as well.

Being fully-vaxxed, I did not feel any fear or uncertainty about either vacation, but as all these new variants emerge, they are not emerging due to the vaccinated. They are emerging and mutating due to the people who refuse their vaccinations.

It’s all pretty infuriating.

 

[Disney Analyst]

The answer to your question is nothing. Nothing is lost at all.

Part of what gets me in this whole situation is that we've passed SO MANY laws protecting people from themselves...and even allow people to sue and be rewarded for being stupid...

...but we don't have the cajones to tell people "sorry, but religion has zero to do with medicine, this is a required vaccination".

It truly is like living in an episode of Black Mirror or something.

Honestly, do you think people were having the same conversation when seat belts were made mandatory? Or smoking was prohibited on planes? Honestly, if you don’t want to wear a seat belt… go for it, that only results in your possible injury or demise. Enjoy your freedoms

But a virus does not just affect the individual. It impacts many. With all these people spreading misinformation and refusing to get themselves vaccinated, that really does effect all of us, as it allows the virus to continue to spread and mutate.

And I tell you, when there’s a way worse virus out there, a new pandemic that’s far more catastrophic, all those foaming at the mouth over vaccines, or masks, or restrictions, will be getting a big dose of reality.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Being fully-vaxxed, I did not feel any fear or uncertainty about either vacation,

Why don’t you? While breakthrough cases are rare they aren’t unheard of. The more time you spend in crowded places the greater your chances.

 

[BuddyThomas]

Why don’t you? While breakthrough cases are rare they aren’t unheard of. The more time you spend in crowded places the greater your chances.

Pfizer is over 90% effective from hospitalization and death. For now.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Pfizer is over 90% effective from hospitalization and death. For now.

Right... but the more time you spend in environments like you mentioned the greater your odds of being one of the 10%!

 

[Disney Experience]

95+% chance is about as much of a guarantee in life as you’re going to get (outside of death and taxes) and that’s your chance of avoiding serious disease. Again, if Covid is simply “just another cold” for vaxxed individuals that is an acceptable (but not ideal) outcome.

As a vaxxed person ( Pfizer phase 3 participant vaxxed in Sept 2020) who got moderate+ covid this mid June, and has had many colds in my life. Moderate covid is much worse than a cold. BTW I still have a dry short cough.
The research site doing the Pfizer study called me today to let me know the sample they got from me a week into covid was positive ( No surprise to me)

my wife thought covid was nothing because of what some groups said. Then she saw my experience even being vaccinated. That scared her enough she now prefers not to go out to eat, and if we get takeout, I go in to get it. She is fully vaccinated too.(She is a Moderna Phase 3 trial participant)

 

[GimpYancIent]

Yes it is selfish. The only misinformation running around is coming from the anti-vaxxers. I’m fully vaxxed, and I’ve already been on two vacations - Las Vegas (see trip report section for details) where it was mobbed and totally unmasked, and Fire Island, where the average crowd was this close together:

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Statistically, it is almost impossible to imagine that all of those people are vaccinated. Probably most, but not all, and those who are not are playing Russian Roulette. And possibly putting others around them in danger as well.

Being fully-vaxxed, I did not feel any fear or uncertainty about either vacation, but as all these new variants emerge, they are not emerging due to the vaccinated. They are emerging and mutating due to the people who refuse their vaccinations.

It’s all pretty infuriating.

 

[DisneyFan32]

If the virus count surges over the next few weeks, I expect the CDC to suggest masking indoors for everyone again regardless of vaccination status. Disney Parks would then follow those new guidelines as part of their corporate practice. It makes sense from a health standpoint as well as a PR standpoint. Without cast members at their jobs (and numbers are thin now), how do you operate a massive resort? Thoughts?

Nooooo! I don't want NJ and NY will go back masks indoors again if the surge happens over next few weeks!!I don't want CDC to suggests masking indoors for everyone again if the surge will be so big spike by fall or a few weeks! NOOOO!!!


Also I don't want to virus mutating even worse than Delta variant so it will defeat vaccines for good!

 

[DisneyDebRob]

The answer to your question is nothing. Nothing is lost at all.

Part of what gets me in this whole situation is that we've passed SO MANY laws protecting people from themselves...and even allow people to sue and be rewarded for being stupid...

...but we don't have the cajones to tell people "sorry, but religion has zero to do with medicine, this is a required vaccination".

I always go back to quotes from my favorite artist of all time. He’s got classics like “ Communism doesn’t work because people like to own stuff” and “ You can’t be a country unless you have beer and a airline . It helps if you have a football team or some nuclear weapons but at the very least you need beer”.
But in this case this one hits the nail on the head..” The United States is a nation of laws: badly written and rarely enforced”. Frank Zappa

 

[DonniePeverley]

Still surprised how low the vaccination rate in the USA is.

What's going on ?

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Still surprised how low the vaccination rate in the USA is.

What's going on ?

Too many people either buying into misinformation or counting on others to do the heavy lifting so they don't have to.

ETA: Just to be clear, I am NOT referring to those who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons.

 

[GimpYancIent]

Nooooo! I don't want NJ and NY will go back masks indoors again if the surge happens over next few weeks!!I don't want CDC to suggests masking indoors for everyone again if the surge will be so big spike by fall or a few weeks! NOOOO!!!


Also I don't want to virus mutating even worse than Delta variant so it will defeat vaccines for good!

 

[correcaminos]

Agreed. It also opens up the whole “well they said 1 thing and now they are changing it” can of worms.

I get this is all about Delta, but so many articles are explaining it wrong. We have good 6 month data. We have great data a year later even. Delta messed it up for sure, but now we're really screwed here to get people to get a vaccine to start with, let alone boosters.

I could see Delta for 60+ only though

 

[hopemax]

Another potential reason for men to get vaccinated....

So we know that COVID is a vascular disease and the spike protein damages the endothelial cells. Do you guys out there have a part of your body that is dependent on good blood flow in order to work properly for an activity you enjoy?

Yep, the next thing heading for future study based on the volume of anecdotal reports is does COVID-19 lead to dysfunction?

COVID-19 and lasting erectile dysfunction: Here's what we know

There are several possible reasons why COVID-19 can impair male sexual health, health experts say.

www.latimes.com

Or all those young guys out there could just risk it since waiting for study results will probably take longer than people will be able to avoid infection.

 

[Zummi Gummi]

If the virus count surges over the next few weeks, I expect the CDC to suggest masking indoors for everyone again regardless of vaccination status. Disney Parks would then follow those new guidelines as part of their corporate practice. It makes sense from a health standpoint as well as a PR standpoint. Without cast members at their jobs (and numbers are thin now), how do you operate a massive resort? Thoughts?

I don’t think they’ll be able to put that genie back in the bottle at this point.

 

[GaBoy]

I really wish we could ditch the personal and religious belief exemptions. Just because you believe in big foot or that the earth is flat doesn't mean you should be allowed an exemption.

(I'm trying to be nice.)

I understand your point but please don't drag Bigfoot into this.

 

[BuddyThomas]

Right... but the more time you spend in environments like you mentioned the greater your odds of being one of the 10%!

I'm not sure I understand the point you are trying to make. Are you advocating for vaccinated people to continue to stay locked up in their homes because a bunch of the country refuses to use their brains and get vaccinated?

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Nope. I'm fully vaxxed, so for me personally, this whole covid crap is over and done. I am sick of people still cowering in fear and crying over it. I cannot tell you how amazing it feels to be at Disney this week mask free and living life again after a year of sacrificing and following suggested guidance from the "experts" only to have those same people crying that we need to continuing being worried about variants. It's asinine.

What’s asinine is thinking your personal frustration and tiredness has anything to do with how a pandemic/virus will behave.

It doesn’t care if you’ve been masking for a year and can’t take it anymore (as if it’s so hard.) It doesn’t care who is ignorant and thinks a mild case can’t lead to long term complications.

Going about your business while wearing a mask is anything but “cowering.” It’s smart.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

This is premium content, behind a paywall but I think we can all get a idea of what’s going on. I’m sure it will be in headlines shortly. Politics mixing with the need to get people vaccinated. This is the stuff that gets me ticked off.

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[Touchdown]

Canada will not open its border to non-essential, unvaccinated visitors for quite a while, Trudeau says | CNN

Days after Canada dropped its quarantine requirement for fully vaccinated Canadians entering the country, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau rejected the idea that non-essential unvaccinated visitors will soon be allowed in.

www.cnn.com

Disapointing news, I’m surprised Trudeau wants this to continue indefinitely for now. My understanding was this was getting quite unpopular with Canadians because of a loss of tourist dollars and this restricting Canadians from visiting us.