Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Disney Experience]

Are vaccinated and or children seeing a large increase in cases? (Not really)

Are they getting hospitalized? (Nope)

Are they dying? (Nope)

As a vaccinated individual (who by the way are the majority) I honestly don’t care about unvaccinated cases unless they start overwhelming hospitals again (the only place I know where that is happening is the Ozark area.) Just like what most of those unvaccinated said about protecting old people last year I am not interested in doing anything to protect them. Unlike the elderly, they are in a disadvantaged group by choice, live and let die.

Chances with the Delta variant of getting covid is greater than with earlier variants. So cases are likely up relative to what they would be without Delta. But hospitalization are not overwhelming at this time, and at 64% effectiveness against Delta Pfizer is still above the FDA minimum of 50%. But 68% is not 90-95% vs original variant. But so far deaths and effectiveness in preventing severe is still high. (95%)

The latest ( imperfect ) data is from Israel who uses Pfizer.

Vaccine Less Effective in Preventing Delta Variant Infection​

Health Ministry says COVID vaccine at 64 percent effectiveness in preventing infections, but experts differ ■ Ministry notes vaccine is still 93 percent effective in preventing hospitalizations and severe symptoms

 

[Disney Experience]

Nope. I'm fully vaxxed, so for me personally, this whole covid crap is over and done. I am sick of people still cowering in fear and crying over it. I cannot tell you how amazing it feels to be at Disney this week mask free and living life again after a year of sacrificing and following suggested guidance from the "experts" only to have those same people crying that we need to continuing being worried about variants. It's asinine.

Speaking from personal experience… being vaccinated does not mean one is at no risk from covid. But it is a very good mitigation of risk. Variants can change the risk so being concerned about them is a reasonable concern. But life is not risk free.

 

[MorphinePrince]

Speaking from personal experience… being vaccinated does not mean one is at no risk from covid. But it is a very good mitigation of risk. Variants can change the risk so being concerned about them is a reasonable concerned. But life is not risk free.

I'm a covid survivor, so I'm just being a little too cocky with my outlook on life right now

 

[Touchdown]

Speaking from personal experience… being vaccinated does not mean one is at no risk from covid. But it is a very good mitigation of risk. Variants can change the risk so being concerned about them is a reasonable concerned. But life is not risk free.

95+% chance is about as much of a guarantee in life as you’re going to get (outside of death and taxes) and that’s your chance of avoiding serious disease. Again, if Covid is simply “just another cold” for vaxxed individuals that is an acceptable (but not ideal) outcome.

 

[correcaminos]

I’m not really seeing it these past few pages, but is anyone else besides me a little concerned that the infection rates are rising upwards with these new variants? I was in Las Vegas last week and the rates were going up and it was all over the news, but a lot of the people wandering around on the strip with no masks on didn’t seem to pay it no attention. I ask you this question respectfully do you see the rates going up even higher by fall and Disney World going back to more restrictive measures?

I am only mildly concerned at this point. Honestly I'm tired. I spent a lot of time at the beginning of the year helping people get vaccinated. Holding virtual or literal hands to get the shot. To do my part to help, and I'm kind of at the point that I have no clue what else to do to help. I'm fully vaccinated as is my whole family. I worry for others as I always have, but at this point I don't know what else to do.

Meanwhile In Britain @ipsosmori
polling for The Economist shows some Brits support anti-covid restrictions *permanently*, regardless of covid risk. Inc: - 19% for nighttime curfews - 26% for closing casinos and clubs - 35% for travel quarantine - 40% for masks

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There are some here that I’m afraid have been so traumatised they will never rains normal life

I'm sure there are many who are... but sometimes giving time will help ease some anxieties for some.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Correct. I am against the government forcing anyone to do any medical procedure to themselves.

Now there are ways to encourage it... like the vaccine passports. But forcing it? Nope.

But the logical conclusion of this is that it was wrong to eliminate polio. That the US and much of the world are less free now in a world largely without polio than they were in a world with polio.

 

[GoofGoof]

I’m not really seeing it these past few pages, but is anyone else besides me a little concerned that the infection rates are rising upwards with these new variants? I was in Las Vegas last week and the rates were going up and it was all over the news, but a lot of the people wandering around on the strip with no masks on didn’t seem to pay it no attention. I ask you this question respectfully do you see the rates going up even higher by fall and Disney World going back to more restrictive measures?

I think there’s a chance National case numbers go up by Fall and there’s also a chance they go down. I do not think Disney will make any changes either way. So more cases is certainly a possibility but more restrictive measures at WDW or anywhere in FL…highly unlikely.

 

[Trauma]

They can’t bring back restrictions without mass cancellations. They are hiring and trying to open things as fast as possible.

To go back now would be a unbelievable disaster for them.

They have their chips in the middle of the table and they have a good hand.

Now all they can do is hope they don’t go bust.

 

[Heelz2315]

I think there’s a chance National case numbers go up by Fall and there’s also a chance they go down. I do not think Disney will make any changes either way. So more cases is certainly a possibility but more restrictive measures at WDW or anywhere in FL…highly unlikely.

what would have to happen you think for Disney to reimplement their Covid restrictions? You seem pretty sure normal Disney is here to stay

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

what would have to happen you think for Disney to reimplement their Covid restrictions? You seem pretty sure normal Disney is here to stay

If there is a big spike I could see mask requirements indoors again. Beyond that I’m not sure what Disney would be willing to do unless numbers got crazy.

Obviously there’s no guessing what will happen next.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Did the post about Pfizer applying for Boosters and a Delta study get deleted? Or was that on another thread?

 

[JoeCamel]

what would have to happen you think for Disney to reimplement their Covid restrictions? You seem pretty sure normal Disney is here to stay

For them to close again you would need tohave last winter's spread, hospital rates and death rates. I think we are entering a long period of dribs and drabs (yeah people are still dying from this) of trying to get the world vaccinated while hoping a new variant does not put us back to square one before we do. I can't see the numbers getting that bad again, Disney will stay open at all costs unless the bottom falls out then it wouldn't matter if they do, no one would be coming.

 

[correcaminos]

If there is a big spike I could see mask requirements indoors again. Beyond that I’m not sure what Disney would be willing to do unless numbers got crazy.

Obviously there’s no guessing what will happen next.

Did the post about Pfizer applying for Boosters and a Delta study get deleted? Or was that on another thread?

It's gone. I had quoted it and when I went to reply and insert quotes it was gone.

I have yet to hear about booster shots for Delta here. It was based on Israeli information and only because they felt they could do better with protection. As always I'll be honest and such when things change in the trial

 

[willtravel]

Did the post about Pfizer applying for Boosters and a Delta study get deleted? Or was that on another thread?

I deleted it myself. I figured there would be too much back and forth on it.

 

[danlb_2000]

But the logical conclusion of this is that it was wrong to eliminate polio. That the US and much of the world are less free now in a world largely without polio than they were in a world with polio.

Was the polio vaccine ever mandatory?

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I deleted it myself. I figured there would be too much back and forth on it.

Where’s the fun in that?

“"While Pfizer and BioNTech believe a third dose of BNT162b2 has the potential to preserve the highest levels of protective efficacy against all currently known variants including Delta, the companies are remaining vigilant and are developing an updated version of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine that targets the full spike protein of the Delta variant," the company said.”

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/08/health/pfizer-waning-immunity-bn/index.html

 

[GoofGoof]

what would have to happen you think for Disney to reimplement their Covid restrictions? You seem pretty sure normal Disney is here to stay

I don’t think anything related to case fluctuations will do it. The only thing I can think of is the emergence of a variant that renders the vaccines useless and ineffective. Remember that Disney didn’t drop mitigations based solely on case numbers, the primary driver was vaccinations. Since you cannot unvaccinate someone the number vaccinated can only go up. A vaccine resistant mutation could result in a reset of vaccination numbers but I don’t know how likely that is to happen. Seems pretty unlikely.

Disney also relied on experts and the CDC for recommendations to some extent so if there is a nationwide, federal push to go back to masking Disney could consider it, but I see the likelihood of that about as high as the vaccine resistant variant happening. Disney will not act on their own to restrict business again. In theory they could bring something like indoor masks back in the Fall but they won’t bring back distancing and capacity limits that severely limit business unless mandated by the government. Right now those types of measures in FL can only be imposed by the Governor at the state level….what do you think the odds are Governor head in the sand is going to implement anything? 10,000+ people a day were getting sick back in Jan and he did nothing.

 

[correcaminos]

Where’s the fun in that?

“"While Pfizer and BioNTech believe a third dose of BNT162b2 has the potential to preserve the highest levels of protective efficacy against all currently known variants including Delta, the companies are remaining vigilant and are developing an updated version of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine that targets the full spike protein of the Delta variant," the company said.”

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/08/health/pfizer-waning-immunity-bn/index.html

I'll be blunt... a booster will keep people from vaccinating - period. People won't booster either - some were hard enough to get 2 shots in as it is. Downer me says this is a bad idea to promote here in a way.... I feel like we'll never get to good levels if this is required for some.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Was the polio vaccine ever mandatory?

It still is.

 

[willtravel]

Where’s the fun in that?

“"While Pfizer and BioNTech believe a third dose of BNT162b2 has the potential to preserve the highest levels of protective efficacy against all currently known variants including Delta, the companies are remaining vigilant and are developing an updated version of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine that targets the full spike protein of the Delta variant," the company said.”

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/08/health/pfizer-waning-immunity-bn/index.html

What happens if something develops after the Delta variant and after and after?