Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[TrainsOfDisney]

Based on what studies? I'm only seeing J&J needing it here.

Are there studies saying J&J will need a booster?

 

[Flugell]

To be clear, I'm right there with you on AstraZeneca being a great vaccine.

However, the reality is it's less effective against overall infection. Does it help make COVID manageable? Of course. Are there slightly better options that contribute to herd immunity a bit more? I think so.

I was happy to take AZ because it meant being fully vaccinated months ahead of schedule. I'm not super old so I'm confident with the level of protection it affords me. If we had the same supply the USA had, it might have made sense with mRNA. This makes sense short term, and the numbers are proving even the single doses are getting the pandemic under control.

Long term, getting that extra bump of protection mRNA vaccines offer make sense as well, so it's not surprising that the approach might be to take whatever is available right now, and boost it if deemed effective a little later.

I never said there's a problem, we knew boosters were coming, just that I hope they can be safely held off long enough to provide vaccines to the rest of the world. My partner's elderly parents, in Malaysia, are under pretty strict lockdown conditions and were only able to get a first dose a week or two ago. Meanwhile, North Americans are packing theme parks with little to no worry.

I totally agree that the vaccines need to be administered throughout the world as quickly and efficiently as possible. The pandemic will not be gone until it is under control/eradicated throughout all countries.
I suppose that the only question is if we reduce spread and the chance of variants appearing in some of the world- USA, U.K., Europe for example does that allow those countries to assist the rest of the world with greater confidence?
If boosters are limited to the clinically vulnerable then that seems reasonable but until vaccines are spread throughout the world in an equitable manner then I am concerned for the future.
Best Wishes to your family in Malaysia and at least they are under a strict lockdown unlike Brazil for example where numbers are once again increasing according to news reports over here.

 

[Parker in NYC]

Well, I’m still going to hold off on a trip to WDW.

And.. Regardless of his decision to opt out of this thread, I’d just like to point out to @Tom P. that NYC is still requiring masks on public transportation. Tomorrow is July 1st.

Boo-yah.

 

[DisneyFan32]

Well, I’m still going to hold off on a trip to WDW.

And.. Regardless of his decision to opt out of this thread, I’d just like to point out to @Tom P. that NYC is still requiring masks on public transportation. Tomorrow is July 1st.

Boo-yah.

Yeah hopefully both NJ & NY will lift masks on public transportation by next month or August/September.

 

[Chi84]

LONDON — The U.K. has one of the highest Covid-19 vaccination rates in the world, yet it’s seeing a new surge in coronavirus cases largely attributed to the delta variant that first originated in India.

Experts say that close attention is being paid to the latest data out of the U.K. as it could be a bellwether for others. And there is a fear that where the U.K. now treads, others — like the U.S. — could follow.

“All eyes (are) on UK Covid trends,” Kallum Pickering, senior economist and director at Berenberg Bank, said in a note Tuesday.

To continue the article, "So far, the vaccines have proved resilient to new variants, remaining largely effective in preventing serious Covid-19 for fully-vaccinated people. An analysis from Public Health England released last Monday found two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech or the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccines were highly effective against hospitalization from the delta variant."
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"The risk that the re-opening [on July 19] could be reversed remains low," Berenberg's Pickering said. "The UK is far away from the point at which medical capacities could be stretched to such an extent that new restrictions would be needed," he noted, adding that the continued rapid rollout of vaccines could even prompt daily infections to plateau in the coming weeks before falling thereafter."

 

[GoofGoof]

1) The UK and USA have around the same levels of immunity - both have had terrible large waves. The UK if anything has a worst set of figures per 100,000 people, so in theory there should be more immunity in the population. The vaccination rates are both very high.

2) The Alpha variant ripped through the USA during around the time of the elections when cases surged.

UK = 70,000 cases per million people
US = 105,000 cases per million people
The UK would need a 50% increase in cases to “catch up”….for the sake of all our friends over on the other side of the pond let’s hope they never come close to catching us

 

[GoofGoof]

UK now on 28,000 cases in a day. Up from 2000 cases a few months ago and a massive vaccine rollout. Delta is now 100% of all cases. If this translated to the USA this would mean 150,000 cases a day. The USA is believed to be around 4-8 weeks behind the UK.

Next week if things continue with this surge, UK is predicted to hit 40,000 - 50,000 cases, especially with mass events like the football Euro's taking place.

Last week we were 2-4 weeks behind….now 4-8 weeks??? What’s causing the delay

 

[DonniePeverley]

UK = 70,000 cases per million people
US = 105,000 cases per million people
The UK would need a 50% increase in cases to “catch up”….for the sake of all our friends over on the other side of the pond let’s hope they never come close to catching us

When the outbreak first broke the UK government was not testing, and had a very low testing capacity for the first 6 months. It is predicted around 100,000 a people a day were catching it at one point, but there was no testing. The UK only began heavy testing towards the summer of 2020.

There is tangible difference between the US and UK rates

 

[Polkadotdress]

But still surprised I got at least moderate covid so many months post vaccination. For now the virus being a variant seems to be (for me) the likely cause of me getting moderate or worse covid-19. I would love to know if it was a variant.

Where/how do you think you caught it? And what was your current public stance—mask or not? There’s been some debate lately over the policy for having vaxx’d people continue with masks, yet no action has been taken either way.

 

[GoofGoof]

When the outbreak first broke the UK government was not testing, and had a very low testing capacity for the first 6 months. It is predicted around 100,000 a people a day were catching it at one point, but there was no testing. The UK only began heavy testing towards the summer of 2020.

There is tangible difference between the US and UK rates

The US lacked testing in the beginning too during our first wave.

 

[DisneyFan32]

The US lacked testing in the beginning too during our first wave.

I'm scared NJ & NY will go back mask mandate now..... @GoofGoof is public transportation will loses masks in NJ and NY early soon than September?

 

[Touchdown]

The US lacked testing in the beginning too during our first wave.

Again the US had the worst infection rate through the end of 2020, we have a lot more natural immunity, which may very well help save us from another wave.

 

[GoofGoof]

Again the US had the worst infection rate through the end of 2020, we have a lot more natural immunity, which may very well help save us from another wave.

I agree. It wasn’t the easy way….but it’s the path we chose.

 

[jlhwdw]

Fauci: If you are fully vaccinated you do not need to wear a mask indoors or outdoors.

Dr. Fauci on confusion over mask wearing amid delta variant concerns

Dr. Anthony Fauci speaks with NBC News’ Lester Holt about the CDC’s mask guidelines for vaccinated Americans, the effectiveness of vaccines against the delta variant and more.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[danlb_2000]

Fauci: If you are fully vaccinated you do not need to wear a mask indoors or outdoors.

Dr. Fauci on confusion over mask wearing amid delta variant concerns

Dr. Anthony Fauci speaks with NBC News’ Lester Holt about the CDC’s mask guidelines for vaccinated Americans, the effectiveness of vaccines against the delta variant and more.

www.nbcnews.com

He did not say that directly, he just repeated the current CDC guidance.

 

[Trauma]

He did not say that directly, he just repeated the current CDC guidance.

Do you expect the CDC to alter guidelines in the face of the delta variant.

“No”.

Sounds like the doctor is following the science to the disappointment of the we should mask until we have -23 cases a day crowd.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Canada has gone from 30% to 35% of 12+ fully vaccinated in just 3 days.

 

[danlb_2000]

Do you expect the CDC to alter guidelines in the face of the delta variant.

“No”.

Sounds like the doctor is following the science to the disappointment of the we should mask until we have -23 cases a day crowd.

Right, he said he didn't expect the CDC to change guidance. He was not asked if he thought vaccinated people should wear masks.

 

[Trauma]

Right, he said he didn't expect the CDC to change guidance. He was not asked if he thought vaccinated people should wear masks.

Oh for god sakes he had said himself multiple times he doesn’t wear a mask in public.

 

[danlb_2000]

Oh for god sakes he had said himself multiple times he doesn’t wear a mask in public.

That may be true, doesn't change the fact that what the op said was a mis-representation of what was said in the interview.