Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Chi84]

Um, the post you’re quoting isn’t talking about myself. We will be waiting til she is vaccinated, thanks much for the concern.. Of course it’s parent decision to go or not. Parent-splaining not necessary.

I was speaking to this bolded part of Chi84’s post that said “mask-wearing is not providing much in the way of additional protection” - and saying yes, that is true for those who are vaccinated, but it is not true for those that are not yet vaccinated, of which a large portion is wdw’s target demographic. That has nothing to do with my personal situation or being a parent.

In fairness, I was talking about masking in the context of the CDC's guidelines, which have been revised to reflect the fact that masks are no longer the primary method of defense against spreading the virus. As more people are vaccinated and positivity rates are drastically declining, masks are not doing as much to prevent the spread as they were when they were the only form of protection available.

The CDC has basically taken the position that, at this point, it is the responsibility of those who are not vaccinated to continue wearing masks. This seems unfair to the under 12 group, but the CDC director has heavily implied that guidance may be changing soon to say they do not need to wear masks. If they do so, the decision would be made in the context of what is necessary for controlling the pandemic. Risks will always be greater for some people than others, and they will have to respond accordingly, as you are doing.

 

[GoofGoof]

The CDC will assess all the data it has compiled in deciding whether to revise their guidelines. I’m sure they’ll take the points you made into consideration.

As I have said for a while now I have been wrong more than I have been right but my gut feeling is the CDC won’t change anything formally. They have opened the door to let people and businesses interpret their own rules. I don’t think they will recommend that kids under 12 don‘t need masks but they have left the door open for most businesses to allow it anyway. So based on me saying that more likely than not they will change the rule tomorrow

If parents like me don’t want to teach their kids it’s OK to break the rules we will just keep making our kids wear masks anywhere they are still required. For people who don’t care they will probably just let them go without a mask. The kids don’t seem to mind at all. We went to Lowe’s and the Verizon store yesterday they both had the honor system rule where you don’t need to wear a mask if fully vaccinated. I walked in both places without a mask and made my kids put them on anyway. My oldest is one week from fully vaccinated so next Saturday he can join me without a mask.

My hope is that if cases continue to drop and vaccinations continue to rise some time in July they may drop the mask recommendation for everyone. It all depends on how the stats look.

 

[Bob Harlem]

 

[CarolinaSoprano]

I believe you misunderstood the context of that post. my comment about our personal situation was specifically responding to Chi84 talking about the CDC removing masking recommendations across the country, not about going to WDW.

I already live in a state that has removed all masking and social distancing. So, respectfully, it’s not just about WDW. These decisions to remove masking across the board - regardless of location- without all high risk populations having access to the vaccine - *does* result in high risk families needing to isolate more.

What high risk population has not had access to the vaccine yet? I understand you have a high risk child (and I respect that) but the under 12 crowd has the absolute lowest risk of complications from this virus (and thank god for that!)

 

[GimpYancIent]

 

[Angel Ariel]

What high risk population has not had access to the vaccine yet? I understand you have a high risk child (and I respect that) but the under 12 crowd has the absolute lowest risk of complications from this virus (and thank god for that!)

Any high risk child under the age of 12. There are many, for a variety of reasons. Personally, my child has no volitional cough ability at all, so normal colds have often resulted in her having respiratory symptoms for more than a month, long past any contagious period, and typically requiring medication (inhaler) to resolve (she does not have asthma).

Her specialists have said it’s safe for her to be out and about as usual when it comes to outdoors things, and indoors or more crowded areas when masking/distancing is in play. They are not confident when mitigation measures are no longer in play.

 

[Flugell]

What high risk population has not had access to the vaccine yet? I understand you have a high risk child (and I respect that) but the under 12 crowd has the absolute lowest risk of complications from this virus (and thank god for that!)

Anyone with a medical condition, eg immunosuppressant, that means that the vaccination is either far less effective or not safe to administer. No idea on the numbers involved but enough to have their safety considered too.
Best analogy I can think of is if someone on an aeroplane has a nut allergy, the entire plane is informed and nuts aren’t served.
If someone informs, with medical proof, that they are immunosuppressed or equivalent then people are told and masks should be worn.
I know this won’t happen but would be great if it could!

 

[MaryJaneP]

Has the honor system been successful in similar situations? We all know how the honor system works in things like speed limits, taxes, and sports. Will those at WDW without a mask have really all been vaccinated or will there be cheaters?

 

[GoofGoof]

Has the honor system been successful in similar situations? We all know how the honor system works in things like speed limits, taxes, and sports. Will those at WDW without a mask have really all been vaccinated or will there be cheaters?

There will be less unvaccinated people at WDW without a mask on then there would be if they just dropped the mask rule altogether for everyone. I can’t possibly tell you how many more, but it will be more than zero. I don’t think many will choose to wear a mask but more likely some people who are opposed to the mask rules still won’t go until it’s completely dropped.

 

[GoofGoof]

Philadelphia is launching a covid vaccine sweepstakes. 36 total winners from 3 different drawings. The unique part of this plan is they are selecting a targeted zip code for each drawing that is among the zip codes with the lowest vaccine rates in the city and that zip code will be eligible for additional prizes. Residents from the winning zip code will be roughly 100X more likely to win a prize. Just one more example of not giving up yet on vaccinations.

Mayor Kenney Announces “Philly Vax Sweepstakes” Giving Vaccinated Philadelphians Dozens of Chances to Win Up to $50,000 | Department of Public Health

Mayor Kenney Announces “Philly Vax Sweepstakes” Giving Vaccinated Philadelphians Dozens of Chances to Win Up to $50,000

www.phila.gov

 

[durangojim]

Right now everyone in my family has been vaccinated (including by 15 and 13 year olds thank goodness) but we plan on wearing a mask while we’re at the parks in two weeks. Why? Because I’m not concerned about any of us getting COVID, but rather all the normal stuff that I would have seen earlier in a normal year - bronchitis, sinusitis, gastroenteritis, which for the past two weeks I’m starting to see much more of. None of us mind the masks but we really don’t want to be sick at all during our big 3 week summer vacation.

 

[Zummi Gummi]

Philadelphia is launching a covid vaccine sweepstakes. 36 total winners from 3 different drawings. The unique part of this plan is they are selecting a targeted zip code for each drawing that is among the zip codes with the lowest vaccine rates in the city and that zip code will be eligible for additional prizes. Residents from the winning zip code will be roughly 100X more likely to win a prize. Just one more example of not giving up yet on vaccinations.

Mayor Kenney Announces “Philly Vax Sweepstakes” Giving Vaccinated Philadelphians Dozens of Chances to Win Up to $50,000 | Department of Public Health

Mayor Kenney Announces “Philly Vax Sweepstakes” Giving Vaccinated Philadelphians Dozens of Chances to Win Up to $50,000

www.phila.gov

Good for them! I wish some of the states with lower vaccination rates (Pennsylvania is already at the 70% goal for 18+) would do more creative things like this.

 

[GoofGoof]

Good for them! I wish some of the states with lower vaccination rates (Pennsylvania is already at the 70% goal for 18+) would do more creative things like this.

Agreed. 73% of 18+ now with 1 shot and still going. Every state should be trying whatever they can, there’s no excuse for coming up short of 70% in every state. Philadelphia is a little behind the more affluent suburbs around the city and the mayor is doing whatever he can to catch up. Unfortunately somehow the vaccines have become partisan and I think that’s making some leaders gun shy at doing too much to publicly promote them. It’s sad but true.

 

[correcaminos]

Agreed. 73% of 18+ now with 1 shot and still going. Every state should be trying whatever they can, there’s no excuse for coming up short of 70% in every state. Philadelphia is a little behind the more affluent suburbs around the city and the mayor is doing whatever he can to catch up. Unfortunately somehow the vaccines have become partisan and I think that’s making some leaders gun shy at doing too much to publicly promote them. It’s sad but true.

Our gov has been trying and Ohio has really stalled. Some hated him for the lock down (even those in his own party) and refuse to listen. I worry we'll never get 50% let alone 60 or 70%

 

[GimpYancIent]

Airborne and large doses of C (Emergen-C) have both been found NOT to boost immune systems or prevent sickness.

Sure, if you say so.

 

[GoofGoof]

A Federal judge has tossed out the lawsuit from Houston hospital workers fighting the Covid vaccine requirement. As expected the judge ruled that the requirement and suspensions do not violate due process since the workers are at will employees. He also dismissed the notion that the hospital was forcing the employees to take an unapproved medicine which is the first major ruling on a requirement for a vaccine under EUA.

Judge dismisses lawsuit by Houston hospital employees over Covid-19 vaccinations

The lead plaintiff, Jennifer Bridges, likened her employer's vaccination requirement to forced medical experimentation during the Holocaust.

news.yahoo.com

 

[Benjamin_Nicholas]

Sure, if you say so.

Yeah... Just search the web. It's not just me.

The Untold Truth Of Emergen-C - The List

Emergen-C, the vitamin C-packed dietary supplement packed with a fizzy flavorful tang, may be popular, but what does it really do?

www.thelist.com

 

[MaryJaneP]

could most healthy foods also provide "immune support"?

 

[Heppenheimer]

Sure, if you say so.

Beyond its ability to prevent scurvy, vitamin C has no further role in infection prevention. Once you have enough vitamin C in your system to perform its job (acting as a cofactor for collagen synthesis and the production of certain neurotransmitters), the excess serves no purpose and gets excreted directly into the urine.

Interestingly, guinea pigs were used in medical research mainly because like us, they can't store excess vitamin C and need a continual supply in their diet.

I have no idea what's actually in "Airborne", but given that they use clinically meaningless weasel-wording in their advertisements like "provides immune support" makes me think they're trying to skirt FDA regulation.

EDIT: Wow, I just realized this side train of discussion comes from February of 2020...

 

[Kevin_W]

Beyond its ability to prevent scurvy, vitamin C has no further role in infection prevention. Once you have enough vitamin C in your system to perform its job (acting as a cofactor for collagen synthesis and the production of certain neurotransmitters), the excess serves no purpose and gets excreted directly into the urine.

Interestingly, guinea pigs were used in medical research mainly because like us, they can't store excess vitamin C and need a continual supply in their diet.

I have no idea what's actually in "Airborne", but given that they use clinically meaningless weasel-wording in their advertisements like "provides immune support" makes me think they're trying to skirt FDA regulation.

The always relevant XKCD:

"You'd need to keep track of so many people! Would you use, like, Excel or something? Far too fancy for a simple country nanoenzyme developer like me."