Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[FormerMember]

IMO, it's still a bit to early in NJ/CT and NY to do what they are doing and planning. Our fully vaccinated and immunized numbers are not high enough to justify opening up as much as this. They are betting that people will go get shots that haven't and that they will maintain social distancing and masks until they are fully immunized. Yeah.
There are too many people who will claim being vaccinated one way or the other or just not answer the question if asked, claiming HIPPA or some other thing because there is no mandated requirement for documentation unless you want to score a free beer. Others will simply just go maskless as an "I told you this was no big thing, just a variant of the flu."
I have already heard it in the halls at work.
I really hope I'm wrong and that the infected numbers continue to trend down. We've come so far, but I can really see a lot of people ruining it.
Again, I hope I'm wrong. I really hope I am.

Wait, we in NJ, New Jersey....

Are rolling back restrictions to fast? That’s what you’re implying here?

 

[GoofGoof]

RotaShield, for rotavirus infection, was a vaccine withdrawn for safety and was recalled less than a year after marketing approval, based on safety signals identified from VAERS reports.

Even in that case the adverse condition was caused within weeks of vaccination but it took a while to determine it was caused by the vaccine due to the rarity of the adverse effect (15 cases) as well as the fact that it occurred in infants.

Withdrawal of Rotavirus Vaccine Recommendation​

In July 1999, CDC recommended that health-care providers and parents postpone use of the rhesus rotavirus vaccine-tetravalent (RRV-TV) (RotaShield[Registered]*, Wyeth Laboratories, Inc., Marietta, Pennsylvania), for infants, at least until November 1999. This action was based on reports to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System of intussusception (a type of bowel obstruction that occurs when the bowel folds in on itself) among 15 infants who received rotavirus vaccine. Also at that time, the manufacturer, in consultation with the Food and Drug Administration, voluntarily ceased further distribution of the vaccine.

On October 22, 1999, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP), after a review of scientific data from several sources, concluded that intussusception occurs with significantly increased frequency in the first 1-2 weeks after vaccination with RRV-TV, particularly following the first dose. Therefore, ACIP no longer recommends vaccination of infants in the United States with RRV-TV and withdraws its recommendation that RRV-TV be administered at 2, 4, and 6 months of age. Children who received rotavirus vaccine before July and remain well are not now at increased risk for intussusception.

Withdrawal of Rotavirus Vaccine Recommendation

 

[Nubs70]

Has there ever, in the history of vaccines, been a case where a vaccine has been approved and used and then later shown to have long-term undesired effects down the road, like months or years later? I don't think so, but perhaps I'm wrong.

Africa Declares Wild Polio Is Wiped Out — Yet It Persists In Vaccine-Derived Cases

The Kick Polio Out of Africa Campaign began in 1996. This week, the World Health Organization announced that wild polio has been eradicated — although there is a caveat.

www.npr.org

 

[GoofGoof]

Africa Declares Wild Polio Is Wiped Out — Yet It Persists In Vaccine-Derived Cases

The Kick Polio Out of Africa Campaign began in 1996. This week, the World Health Organization announced that wild polio has been eradicated — although there is a caveat.

www.npr.org

Not really an adverse effect from the vaccine itself. It’s an adverse effect from consuming water contaminated with feces Yuck. It‘s pretty heartbreaking to know that a version of that vaccine with an inactivated virus exists but due to cost they continue to use the one with a live virus

 

[LaughingGravy]

Wait, we in NJ, New Jersey....

Are rolling back restrictions to fast? That’s what you’re implying here?

No, Alabama.

 

[GoofGoof]

Looks like we are almost in the home stretch here in PA.

For those playing along at home the state has over 50% of the general population with at least 1 dose so assuming 80% of the population are adults that means roughly 63% of adults with 1 shot. We need 896,000 more adults to take the shot. Should reach 70% of adults fully vaccinated in early June. ️

 

[Figgy1]

Looks like we are almost in the home stretch here in PA.
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For those playing along at home the state has over 50% of the general population with at least 1 dose so assuming 75% of the population are adults that means roughly 67% of adults with 1 shot. Should reach 70% of adults fully vaccinated in early June. ️

I believe they are counting fully vaccinated as 2nd shot plus 2 weeks or shot plus 2 weeks for J&J a little closer to mid June IMHO

 

[Rumrunner]

Amazing the fear, paranoia, and misinformation on this topic is suffocating.

 

[BlindChow]

Community outreach, mobile units, ease of access by convenient walk-ins, and stronger public health messaging should all help address [vaccine hesitant] complacency. Maybe some old-fashioned peer pressure among family and friends (I don't believe shaming is necessary).

I disagree.

I think every vaccine-eligible person who has not yet received (or scheduled) a shot should have to wear a scarlet letter "C" on their chest, and when they go into public, everyone who's been vaccinated should immediately stop what they are doing and point at them.

It is the only way.

 

[GoofGoof]

I believe they are counting fully vaccinated as 2nd shot plus 2 weeks or shot plus 2 weeks for J&J a little closer to mid June IMHO

The 67% is really 63% so probably a few extra weeks.

 

[DisneyCane]

Please provide citation and link.

Look in the thread at the reports that @DCBaker posts every single day. The new total "people vaccinated" is on every report. Subtract from the prior day to see the increase.

 

[Incomudro]

haha I just got done reading this! This def. mirrors my personal experience when talking with co-workers, family and friends.

I noticed a long time ago that there is a psychological mindset that draws people to one direction or the other.

 

[Figgy1]

The 67% is really 63% so probably a few extra weeks.

Hopefully this gets people motivated

 

[GoofGoof]

Amazing the fear, paranoia, and misinformation on this topic is suffocating.

I agree. We have multiple highly effective and perfectly safe vaccines which could easily get us out of this pandemic and instead thanks to fear, paranoia and misinformation a large number of people won’t take them. Sad

 

[GoofGoof]

Hopefully this gets people motivated

More kids get to go next week so maybe they will bring their parents in with them

 

[Figgy1]

I disagree.

I think every vaccine-eligible person who has not yet received (or scheduled) a shot should have to wear a scarlet letter "C" on their chest, and when they go into public, everyone who's been vaccinated should immediately stop what they are doing and point at them.

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It is the only way.

There are still a few places left where it's difficult at best to schedule for those that can't get time off from work to do so. Just because a place has walk in doesn't mean they have slots left to do them. Not quite there yet IMHO

 

[Incomudro]

The blue paper disposable type are by far the most comfortable, if not wasteful. Disney’s own are great but a little pricey for me personally. Just DON’T wear those Tommy Copper ones from Home Depot. Those have been my favorite in the drier mountain air, but I legitimately thought I was going to suffocate even in the mild Florida November.

I picked up one of those Tommy Copper ones from Home Dept, and noticed there was a tremendous difference in how hard it was to breathe while wearing it in the gym.
Wore it once there, then switched over to simple disposable surgical masks.

 

[havoc315]

Look in the thread at the reports that @DCBaker posts every single day. The new total "people vaccinated" is on every report. Subtract from the prior day to see the increase.

I see what you’re saying... there are a few possible explanations for the data variance.
But a drop from 150,000 to 45,000 in a week is still very concerning. Even if that 45,000 is the more accurate number (I’m not convinced. )

 

[DisneyFan32]

I agree. We have multiple highly effective and perfectly safe vaccines which could easily get us out of this pandemic and instead thanks to fear, paranoia and misinformation a large number of people won’t take them. Sad

Now we will never get out of the pandemic in USA....

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Now we will never get out of the pandemic in USA....

Yes, we will. Don't worry.