Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[correcaminos]

I asked our pediatrician about toddlers. She expects them to have vaccines for them by fall/early winter. While I had no qualms having my 17 year old stepdaughter vaccinated, I’m a little leers about the 3 year old and baby. But I’d much rather that, than the long term possible consequences of covid. And I’ll trust my doctor. I don’t understand those who don’t listen to their doctors, if you don’t trust them to advise you about vaccine, find a new doctor. It’s almost as if people have lost the ability to recognize that others have expertise they don’t...

Not all doctors are for vaccines. I know a doctor in our community who is pretty anti-vax and a lot of people see them for the autism no vax mentality. Not all medical people are the same.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

FloriDUH.

 

[Creathir]

You clipped one sentence from my post. I said that I believe there are still a large number of people who are either apathetic or cautious too. Those people can be reached. If you are uncertain about the safety of the vaccine and you have done your own research and then talked to your primary care doctor or another professional and then concluded that you don‘t believe the vaccine is safe then so be it. If you listen to a bunch of political talking heads and people on social media and never speak to a doctor or someone with real expertise about your concerns then you aren’t being genuine. You are just parroting stuff being pushed by people with a political agenda to divide and using the safety argument as an excuse.

I’m just offering an alternative explanation. I missed where you had briefly mentioned those that are being cautious. Sorry about that.

But when the rhetoric above is joking about shipping undesirables off to other countries… similar to some 1940s era nonsense…

Get a grip.

 

[plawren2]

Your infant/toddler is more likely to have serious adverse health effects from COVID than the vaccine. The long term effects from COVID are clearly documented, even in children. There is no long term adverse health effects from the vaccine except for the J&J one; and even then, your child has a much, much higher chance of a blood clot from getting COVID than from the vaccine.

Doing nothing is the much higher risk than getting vaccinated at any age (except newborn).

And how do I know that before the vaccines are available to younger children? Because the vaccine wouldn't be approved for them unless the trials showed that the vaccine is less a risk than getting COVID.

are you a Doctor?

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Hopefully WDW ignores Tallahassee and protects staff and guests, whether they know they need it or not.

 

[plawren2]

Not all doctors are for vaccines. I know a doctor in our community who is pretty anti-vax and a lot of people see them for the autism no vax mentality. Not all medical people are the same.

no one should be seeking medical opinions from a Dr who states they are anti-vax - if they make such a statement they are not a medical board certified professional Dr.

 

[Tony Perkis]

Not all doctors are for vaccines. I know a doctor in our community who is pretty anti-vax and a lot of people see them for the autism no vax mentality. Not all medical people are the same.

People should not go to the doctor. He’s clearly not a qualified medical expert.

 

[Heppenheimer]

You clipped one sentence from my post. I said that I believe there are still a large number of people who are either apathetic or cautious too. Those people can be reached. If you are uncertain about the safety of the vaccine and you have done your own research and then talked to your primary care doctor or another professional and then concluded that you don‘t believe the vaccine is safe then so be it. If you listen to a bunch of political talking heads and people on social media and never speak to a doctor or someone with real expertise about your concerns then you aren’t being genuine. You are just parroting stuff being pushed by people with a political agenda to divide and using the safety argument as an excuse.

This is a very common conversation I have on a daily basis. I stress again and again that we have never approved a vaccine that subsequently was shown to have caused delayed side effects years later. The longest delay in severe side effects is about 6 weeks for extremely rare cases of Guillan-Barre syndrome associated with certain vaccines (but not within any of the approved COVID vaccines), and even with this, the onset is usually much sooner. Out of an abundance of caution, all vaccines need at least 3 months of safety data. Beyond that, there really isn't a viable biological mechanism for a vaccine to suddenly cause problems months or years later.

All of the vaccines approved in the US met the required observation period for safety. After hundreds of millions of dosed of Pfizer and Moderna, there have been no surprises. The small chance of venous sinus thrombosis observed with Johnson & Johnson is exactly the reason why post-marketing surveillance continues. The safety record of the mRNA vaccines could not now be more crystal clear.

Finally, even the idea that we don't have long-term safety data on mRNA vaccines is untrue. mRNA vaccines have been under study for other viral diseases, such as rabies, CMV and Zika, for over a decade. These vaccines are not yet marketed, though, because the trials have not so far hit their efficacy endpoints, but their safety is not in question after years of observation.

 

[phillip9698]

I'd sure hate to be a front line CM right about now and have to deal with the type of guests that will surely show up after the governor's actions.

 

[Heppenheimer]

But both do have risks. The vaccines are not fully FDA approved yet. That gives me some hesitation. I also don’t want to get covid and I want to help get the world back to a new normal.

As previously stated, the reason they are not yet fully approved is because they need long term efficacy data. They've passed the safety and short-term efficacy requirements.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

This is a very common conversation I have on a daily basis. I stress again and again that we have never approved a vaccine that subsequently was shown to have caused delayed side effects years later. The longest delay in severe side effects is about 6 weeks for extremely rare cases of Guillan-Barre syndrome associated with certain vaccines (but not within any of the approved COVID vaccines), and even with this, the onset is usually much sooner. Out of an abundance of caution, all vaccines need at least 3 months of safety data. Beyond that, there really isn't a viable biological mechanism for a vaccine to suddenly cause problems months or years later.

Exactly. But even if we conceded their point and said "sure, maybe there's something weird that'll happen ten years from now..."

Short-term: COVID is dangerous, vaccines are safe.
Long-term: We don't know how dangerous COVID is, we don't know how dangerous the vaccines are.

So vaccines win in the short term and it's a draw in the long term.

 

[GoofGoof]

I’m just offering an alternative explanation. I missed where you had briefly mentioned those that are being cautious. Sorry about that.

But when the rhetoric above is joking about shipping undesirables off to other countries… similar to some 1940s era nonsense…

Get a grip.

relax. It was said with laughing emojis. Nobody seriously suggested shipping anyone anywhere, or at least I didn’t. The people resisting just to resist have every right to do so in this country and the rest of us have every right to call them out for delaying a return to normal and negatively impacting our economy. I would strongly encourage that anyone with any concerns about the safety of the vaccines talk to a doctor or an expert that you trust and make an educated decision. In my personal, anecdotal experiences the people I know who said they were concerned about getting the vaccine due to fear of it not being safe hadn’t talked to anyone with real knowledge. Their fear was based mostly on biased sources online. I have 2 good friends who both fell in that category and both have since gotten their first shots after talking to their doctors. If people have a genuine concern that’s what the doctors are for.

 

[GimpYancIent]

I'd sure hate to be a front line CM right about now and have to deal with the arot of guests that will surely show up after the governor's actions.

Yes I agree the term "front line" may begin playing out for CM's. CM's were and are dealing with noncompliant guests I do not see that situation getting better.

 

[DCBaker]

Current Florida vaccine report -

 

[GoofGoof]

This is a very common conversation I have on a daily basis. I stress again and again that we have never approved a vaccine that subsequently was shown to have caused delayed side effects years later. The longest delay in severe side effects is about 6 weeks for extremely rare cases of Guillan-Barre syndrome associated with certain vaccines (but not within any of the approved COVID vaccines), and even with this, the onset is usually much sooner. Out of an abundance of caution, all vaccines need at least 3 months of safety data. Beyond that, there really isn't a viable biological mechanism for a vaccine to suddenly cause problems months or years later.

All of the vaccines approved in the US met the required observation period for safety. After hundreds of millions of dosed of Pfizer and Moderna, there have been no surprises. The small chance of venous sinus thrombosis observed with Johnson & Johnson is exactly the reason why post-marketing surveillance continues. The safety record of the mRNA vaccines could not now be more crystal clear.

Finally, even the idea that we don't have long-term safety data on mRNA vaccines is untrue. mRNA vaccines have been under study for other viral diseases, such as rabies, CMV and Zika, for over a decade. These vaccines are not yet marketed, though, because the trials have not so far hit their efficacy endpoints, but their safety is not in question after years of observation.

This is exactly what I’m talking about. To me you are just some guy on a message board with a cool picture of a dog so I’d probably trust what you say anyway, but for someone more cautious they can talk to their actual doctor, the person who prescribes them stuff and has given them or their kids vaccinations already, I think that carries a lot of weight or it should. Maybe there is a medical reason for concern, everyone is different, but your doctor can and should be able to help.

 

[havoc315]

Return of the college program, THIS SUMMER, is huge news.
This is definitely Disney speeding up their re-opening. I know they were talking about bringing back the College Program for fall/winter. Now they are talking about having College Program cast reporting in just a month, June.

Likely:
- Guest demand is higher than they expected
- World is returning to normal faster than they expected
- They are desperate for labor, which is interfering with their ability to scale up operations

What is clear: Disney World in July will not be the same as now. I don't know what restrictions will still be in place, I don't know what entertainment will be back. But they anticipate increasing attendance significantly. Whether the operations will be in place to handle the higher attendance... that's a whole other issue.

 

[correcaminos]

no one should be seeking medical opinions from a Dr who states they are anti-vax - if they make such a statement they are not a medical board certified professional Dr.

People should not go to the doctor. He’s clearly not a qualified medical expert.

The thing you both miss is if you are anti-vax you will seek anti-vax medical care. Someone I know takes their kids to her because of autism worries. I actually had to block this doctor on facebook as weird as that sounds, they're a bit unhinged to be true, but it is what it is.

 

[Parker in NYC]

FloriDUH.

I’m laughing to keep from crying.

 

[Bill in Atlanta]

7-day rolling average of US deaths is down to its lowest point since July 10, 2020 - the eve of WDW's reopening.

Hoping & praying that number drops off a cliff here as soon as possible.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

The thing you both miss is if you are anti-vax you will seek anti-vax medical care. Someone I know takes their kids to her because of autism worries. I actually had to block this doctor on facebook as weird as that sounds, they're a bit unhinged to be true, but it is what it is.

His license should be revoked and he needs to be barred from practicing medicine.