Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[TrainsOfDisney]

Aren't there other things, like Fast Pass (when it was still being used) that also required a smart phone?

No fastpass didn’t require a smart phone. MaxPass in California did. (MaxPass was the extra charge version of fastpass, you were basically paying extra to be able to use your phone rather than walking to the fp kiosk).

Are there still people where nobody in the party has a smartphone?

I get that an individual might not, but not a single smart phone in an entire party? I guess if that individual is at the park alone....

Well when me and my mom visit the parks together we rarely stay together for the entire day. At Epcot especially we will eat separately because I like to eat at the food booths and she ALWAYS eats at Seasons.

So in that situation she wouldn’t have a smart phone to order food at seasons.

Also you don’t just “need a smartphone” you need a smartphone capable of running Disney’s current app. - for close to a year my iPhone had an issue where I couldn’t update the iOS. I don’t think my current iOS supports the current Disney app either and I have an iPhone XR. Of course this one I can update before a vacation... or can I? (Play suspenseful music).

 

[HarperRose]

What in redneck hell is a supper club?

It's a restaurant that is only open for supper, typically in a scenic, rural location. It serves primarily homemade food, has an awesome bar and serves Fish Fry's on Friday and Prime Rib on Saturday.

Supper Clubs are a Wisconsin staple and unless you live here, you don't really understand them or know how to explain them.

 

[HarperRose]

A restaurant by any other name. I found the nomenclature frequently used in NE Wisconsin. I think it may be a hold over from prohibition days.

None of that is true.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Of all the mitigation to be annoyed at, I’m a little surprised to see plexiglass pretty high up on lists. In my opinion, for better or our worse it’s likely something that may wind up sticking around years longer then anything else.

The store around the corner that hurriedly slapped up some plexiglass around the cash register? Let’s be honest that’s still going to be there in 10 years just because no one is going to care enough to take it down. Similar installations at my doctors office or pharmacy? Probably going to stay up with intent and become a part of new healthcare construction / design from the get-go because it makes sense in environments where you naturally come in contact with sick people.

The dividers on the RotR ride vehicles or in the queue lines? Well, from a theme and show point of view I sure hope they intend to pull them down at some point, but I can also imagine a future where they’re like the sneeze guards on a buffet... omnipresent, accepted as such, and actively designed into future construction as a new ‘best practice’. Even if they don’t it will likely take until the next major refurb cycle to get rid of many of these installs.

It’s going to start coming down when Fire Departments stop turning a blind eye, hopefully not after something bad happens. A lot of these installations are clearly cobbled together, built in the field, not permitted and not code compliant. You see them built out of cheap dimensional lumber and acrylic sheets, flimsily screwed down. Even the portable hand sanitizer dispensers placed all over Walt Disney World are, in many cases, not code compliant.

Healthcare facilities in particular have very strict fire safety requirements due to the nature of their occupants and what they use (ie. oxygen). There are limitations on how much of certain materials can be inside a facility and most acrylic is going to run afoul of those requirements.

Some will probably stay out of apathy but many should not. They create a number of issues regarding safety, accessibility and even ventilation. The principle behind them may not be bad for certain settings but they need to be properly designed.

In queues, not having a means for a kid to swing on a queue rail and kick you seems like a positive.

 

[HarperRose]

Does the water come from a bubbler?

*sigh* Only a small portion of the state (the SE corner) calls it a bubbler. The rest of us use the proper 'water fountain'.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

*sigh* Only a small portion of the state (the SE corner) calls it a bubbler. The rest of us use the proper 'water fountain'.

Some of us up in the north east say "bubbler".

 

[SamusAranX]

Yes, but in all other scenarios, the person taking the risk is able to take the necessary steps to ensure their own safety. With a particle-born virus, we're all stuck relying on others as well as ourselves.

For sure I agree there. I was just responding to your statement as to wondering why some choose to take the risk of dying or having long term effects of Covid as evidenced by their choices. People weigh risks to themselves all the time.

for covid, it’s different because well, depending on your choices and how you implement those decisions, it can affect others. Case in point, I chose to travel during the pandemic. But to avoid giving it to others, I quarantined before and upon return, wore a mask in public, and socially distanced in public, and avoided high risk activities such as indoor dining, bars, etc; and was tested when coming home as well. In that case the choice of risk was down to whether I was comfortable with the risk or myself of contracting covid. I was, but I fully acknowledge some don’t wanna roll a 1 percent dice.

 

[Rteetz]

*sigh* Only a small portion of the state (the SE corner) calls it a bubbler. The rest of us use the proper 'water fountain'.

Bubbler is the correct term

 

[SamusAranX]

Getting on a train is nowhere near climbing Everest or skydiving. The comparisons are laughably ridiculous. But I mean, if the song and dance has lasted this long, might as well resurrect the hit song “But What About The Flu (feat. Complicit)”.

@ParkerLoLs i think you’re misjudging my intent with my statement. My point was that humans naturally weigh and assess risk all the time, so we shouldn’t shocked they do it with covid. Even if depending on their choices, it can affect others.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

For sure I agree there. I was just responding to your statement as to wondering why some choose to take the risk of dying or having long term effects of Covid as evidenced by their choices. People weigh risks to themselves all the time.

for covid, it’s different because well, depending on your choices and how you implement those decisions, it can affect others. Case in point, I chose to travel during the pandemic. But to avoid giving it to others, I quarantined before and upon return, wore a mask in public, and socially distanced in public, and avoided high risk activities such as indoor dining, bars, etc; and was tested when coming home as well. In that case the choice of risk was down to whether I was comfortable with the risk or myself of contracting covid. I was, but I fully acknowledge some don’t wanna roll a 1 percent dice.

I think we'd all be in a much different place in the pandemic right now if everyone was as considerate of others as you.

 

[SamusAranX]

Does the water come from a bubbler?

Water fountain!

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Water fountain!

Spigot?

 

[HarperRose]

Some of us up in the north east say "bubbler".

I've lived in NE WI for 22 years and have never heard anyone call it a bubbler.

 

[SamusAranX]

Spigot?

Sub not hoagie
Soda not pop
Tennis shoes not sneakers
Roundabout not rotary
Dinner not supper
Highway not freeway

I could ramble all day lol

 

[GoofGoof]

Just for thought... why we can’t rely solely on vaccines if we want to defeat this thing with maximum speed..

The UK is ahead of the US pace on vaccinations. Not as far ahead as Israel, but they are a month or a little less ahead. Yes, we have known all along that vaccines would work faster with mitigations in place, but that’s why we kept mitigations in place in a lot of states. Yes, not every state, but even in FL with no statewide mitigations there are local mask rules and capacity limits and also businesses like Disney enforcing their own mitigation. I get that the UK had a more stringent lockdown which is being eased and so far hasn’t resulted in a tick up and Israel had a lockdown that’s been removed and their full economy is open with vaccine passports for large public gatherings. My only point is the US has some mitigation in place, we aren’t relying solely on vaccines. That’s why people keep saying it’s important to keep mitigations now.

 

[SamusAranX]

I think we'd all be in a much different place in the pandemic right now if everyone was as considerate of others as you.

I think a lot of people lost balance in both directions.

No, we were not being commanded to stay in our homes and wear a hazmat suit. True stay at home procedures were needed early on to help stave off disaster though.

On the other hand, yes I felt comfortable going out, seeing a small circle of friends etc; but masking in public, avoiding indoors besides a store visit or pickup togo order, and not being around my high risk friends or relatives, etc were just common sense to me. Yeah it sucked in some ways but doing those things helped keep my family and loved ones, as well as those in public not by choice, safe and at minimal risk. (I.e. grocery store workers, restaurant employees, elderly who need to leave home to shop and run errands and so on) but it’s not “common” sense anymore.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I've lived in NE WI for 22 years and have never heard anyone call it a bubbler.

WOW. I've lived here my whole life...it was more common when I was a kid (born in '72), but I still hear it.

 

[BlindChow]

While vaccinations have been strong in the US up to now, I fear it will be slowing down. To keep up a good pace, we had to keep lowering the age.
The UK is still focusing just on 50+...

Their adoptions rates:

% who have had at least 1 dose (using ONS denominators)
50+	50-54	55-59	60-64	65-69	70-74	75-79	80+
94.8%	88.2%	94.4%	97.4%	94.0%	97.0%	100%*	95.2%

So far in the US, are at 81% of seniors. At this point, almost every senior who wanted a vaccine got it... very few seniors are still getting their first dose on a daily basis.

So UK has 94.8% of 50+ with at least 1 dose. US, 81% of those over 65.
To get a sense of how the rate is stalling among seniors, first shot was at 79% 1 week ago. 75.2% 2 weeks ago..
So 4/5-4/12... a 4 point increase. 4/12-4/19, only a 2 point increase. And continuing to slow down. Maybe we will top out at about 85% of seniors vaccinated.

Now, it wouldn't be a problem if we hit 85% across ALL age groups. Israel, for example, is at 80% of all adults getting vaccinated. But with seniors most at risk, they are also the group most likely to get vaccinated. Younger age groups are likely to have lower vaccination rates.
Is the US is 10-15 points behind the UK among seniors, then I'd expect the US to remain 10-15 points behind the UK for other age groups moving forward.

Lesson being -- get vaccinated, tell everyone you know to get vaccinated.

The UK being "ahead" in single doses is a key part of their rollout strategy, not (necessarily) a flaw in ours.

The UK purposely chose not to give second doses for 12 weeks (as opposed to the 3 to 4 weeks in the US). So while the US had to earmark a certain amount of doses to be used for a second shot, the UK was able to skip that requirement and just give out a larger amount of first doses.

So that's why they would be ahead of us initially, but as you say, if our numbers are slowing down at this point, it is more likely hesitancy than access.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I think a lot of people lost balance in both directions.

No, we were not being commanded to stay in our homes and wear a hazmat suit. True stay at home procedures were needed early on to help stave off disaster though.

On the other hand, yes I felt comfortable going out, seeing a small circle of friends etc; but masking in public, avoiding indoors besides a store visit or pickup togo order, and not being around my high risk friends or relatives, etc were just common sense to me. Yeah it sucked in some ways but doing those things helped keep my family and loved ones, as well as those in public not by choice, safe and at minimal risk. (I.e. grocery store workers, restaurant employees, elderly who need to leave home to shop and run errands and so on) but it’s not “common” sense anymore.

I don't trust people to be cautious. At all. Especially seeing the ignorant comments spouted in our town FB groups.

 

[Tom P.]