Rumor Higher Speed Rail from MCO to Disney World

UNCgolf

UNCgolf

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Disone said:
But I was speaking as a tourist not a businessman. All the travels I've reference from personal experience have been as a tourist. So I stand by outside of the Walt Disney World experience this really isn't that different from the rest of the world.
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I think his argument was more that a lot of the people visiting WDW aren't used to that kind of travel experience, which I think is probably true. People coming internationally are likely used to it, but a lot of the American guests have never had to deal with that before because a bunch of them have never left the country. They would be incredibly unhappy about having to do it.
 
Disone

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UNCgolf said:
I think his argument was more that a lot of the people visiting WDW aren't used to that kind of travel experience, which I think is probably true. People coming internationally are likely used to it, but a lot of the American guests have never had to deal with that before because a bunch of them have never left the country. They would be incredibly unhappy about having to do it.
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I only use international examples because they were Disney and involved rail transportation. But really, Is it all that different than going to the Disneyland Resort that does not have Disney's Magical Express? You have to pick up your luggage. You have to go find the shuttle bus. You have to book the shuttle bus and pay for it. And then the shuttle bus will take you to several hotels before finally getting you to where you want to be.

At least bright line will be a fun and sexy way to transport yourself from the airport to the Midway point on Disney property.

But again I would be remiss without restating that the current system, DME, will be missed.
 
UNCgolf

UNCgolf

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Disone said:
I only use international examples because they were Disney and involved rail transportation. But really, Is it all that different than going to the Disneyland Resort that does not have Disney's Magical Express? You have to pick up your luggage. You have to go find the shuttle bus. You have to book the shuttle bus and pay for it. And then the shuttle bus will take you to several hotels before finally getting you to where you want to be.

At least bright line will be a fun and sexy way to transport yourself from the airport to the Midway point on Disney property.

But again I would be remiss without restating that the current system, DME, will be missed.
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I don't think there are very many people that have been to both Disneyland and Disney World. Disneyland is more of a locals park along with more hardcore Disney fans. The average American WDW guest (especially the ones that don't travel internationally) likely goes to WDW and nowhere else.

Not saying you're wrong at all -- I just think a significant portion of WDW visitors (and I wouldn't be surprised if it's the majority) have no experience with picking up luggage and carrying it across multiple forms of transportation.
 
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UNCgolf said:
I don't think there are very many people that have been to both Disneyland and Disney World. Disneyland is more of a locals park along with more hardcore Disney fans. The average American WDW guest (especially the ones that don't travel internationally) likely goes to WDW and nowhere else.

Not saying you're wrong at all -- I just think a significant portion of WDW visitors (and I wouldn't be surprised if it's the majority) have no experience with picking up luggage and carrying it across multiple forms of transportation.
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I do not agree with you. There are hundreds of thousands DVC Owners and others who visit WDW multiple times a year. Personally, my wife and I visit 4 times a year and have Platinum Plus annual passes. We may not go as often as Disneyland passholders but there are more of us than many people think. That is the result of our constantly adding more points.
 
TrainsOfDisney

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Disone said:
Is it all that different than going to the Disneyland Resort that does not have Disney's Magical Express? You have to pick up your luggage. You have to go find the shuttle bus. You have to book the shuttle bus and pay for it. And then the shuttle bus will take you to several hotels before finally getting you to where you want to be.
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It’s even better when you arrive to LA by train, catch a Pacific Surfliner Train to Anaheim and then take the free (for Amtrak ticket holders) ART bus to your hotel!
 
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UNCgolf said:
I don't think there are very many people that have been to both Disneyland and Disney World. Disneyland is more of a locals park along with more hardcore Disney fans. The average American WDW guest (especially the ones that don't travel internationally) likely goes to WDW and nowhere else.

Not saying you're wrong at all -- I just think a significant portion of WDW visitors (and I wouldn't be surprised if it's the majority) have no experience with picking up luggage and carrying it across multiple forms of transportation.
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My friend who has never been to Europe but has been many times to WDW went to Italy. Her first comment was " it looks like Epcot."
 
UNCgolf

UNCgolf

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TrainChasers said:
I don’t think this is true at all. Most of my friends visit Disney World every 2-4 years and go other places on non-Disney Years.
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I'm surprised by the comments in this thread that seem unaware of how many American families go to WDW and the beach as their occasional vacation and essentially nowhere else. They aren't the people that would post on a forum like this, though. It probably isn't the overall majority of Disney guests considering how many are international, but it's a significant amount of guests. That type of luggage collection with multiple transport transfers is not normal for the vast majority of American destinations.

There was a survey just a couple of years ago that over 50% of American citizens have never even had a passport, which obviously means they haven't left the country (with the possible exception of Canada/Mexico back when passports weren't required). And there are certainly people who have a passport but haven't used it.

To be fair, a lot of those people would probably drive to Disney instead of flying even if it was a 12+ hour drive, but some of them certainly fly. That also may be changing with younger generations, but I'm not sure that's true.
 
TrainsOfDisney

TrainsOfDisney

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UNCgolf said:
I'm surprised by the comments in this thread that seem unaware of how many American families go to WDW and the beach as their occasional vacation and essentially nowhere else. They aren't the people that would post on a forum like this, though. It probably isn't the overall majority of Disney guests considering how many are international, but it's a significant amount of guests. That type of luggage collection with multiple transport transfers is not normal for the vast majority of American destinations.

There was a survey just a couple of years ago that over 50% of American citizens have never even had a passport, which obviously means they haven't left the country (with the possible exception of Canada/Mexico back when passports weren't required). And there are certainly people who have a passport but haven't used it.
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I’ve never met anyone, even Disney obsessed people, who only vacation to Walt Disney World and nowhere else.

I’m sure they exist but I can’t imagine they are a majority of people.

Most major American cities have rail transfers and/or city bus available at airports.
 
UNCgolf

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TrainChasers said:
I’ve never met anyone, even Disney obsessed people, who only vacation to Walt Disney World and nowhere else.

I’m sure they exist but I can’t imagine they are a majority of people.

Most major American cities have rail transfers and/or city bus available at airports.
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Disney obsessed people are definitely not the type of people I'm talking about. I know of a lot of people who go to the beach as their yearly vacation and then take one or two WDW trips for their kids -- not per year, but over the course of their lives. Do you live in a big city? If so, that's probably why you don't know anyone like that. I also said they probably weren't the majority.

One whole side of my family lives in smaller towns and/or rural areas and none of them have ever gone anywhere other than the beach for a vacation, with the exception of a one-time (a couple went twice) WDW trip for their kids. Those are the kind of people I'm talking about, and there are probably 40-50 million of them in the US.

You're also missing the point with regards to the latter. It's not that those things aren't available; it's that a lot of Americans don't want to use them (one of the reasons the US has terrible rail service in general, although it's a bit self-perpetuating). Beyond that, the kind of people I'm talking about generally don't have any interest in going somewhere like NYC -- and if they do, they're likely using a taxi rather than getting on a train or bus.
 
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Disone

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UNCgolf said:
I'm surprised by the comments in this thread that seem unaware of how many American families go to WDW and the beach as their occasional vacation and essentially nowhere else. They aren't the people that would post on a forum like this, though. It probably isn't the overall majority of Disney guests considering how many are international, but it's a significant amount of guests. That type of luggage collection with multiple transport transfers is not normal for the vast majority of American destinations.

There was a survey just a couple of years ago that over 50% of American citizens have never even had a passport, which obviously means they haven't left the country (with the possible exception of Canada/Mexico back when passports weren't required). And there are certainly people who have a passport but haven't used it.

To be fair, a lot of those people would probably drive to Disney instead of flying even if it was a 12+ hour drive, but some of them certainly fly. That also may be changing with younger generations, but I'm not sure that's true.
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Also I think it's more normal that you're giving it credit for. How many luggage transfers are involved in getting to your Resort Casino in Las Vegas the second most traveled to destination in the United States?

On the majority of Americans do not travel to Walt Disney World as their only vacation spot. This is not a true statement.

There are hundreds of thousands of vacation destinations. Being the most popular one does not mean wdw is the one that most people go to. WDW is just the one that gets selected the most. There's a huge differential between those two statements.

But your case is that the average traveler to Walt Disney World it's not used to luggage transfers. I guess that all depends on how you define the average Traveler. I will say this, the average traveler to Walt Disney World would find Disney's Magical Express more convenient than having to transfer luggage to multiple modes of transportation. I think anyone can agree to that. But anything more than that and it's just a routine travel hassle that most people either have previously experienced OR are plenty capable of experiencing for the first time without freaking out.
 
UNCgolf

UNCgolf

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Disone said:
On the majority of Americans do not travel to Walt Disney World as their only vacation spot. This is not a true statement.
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That's not what I said -- not sure why people are taking it that way. I'm talking about people who go to the beach as their once yearly vacation spot, and then go to WDW a couple of times for their kids. Some of them don't even do WDW; they just do the beach.

I also never said they were the majority of Americans. I think people who live in the northeast or on the west coast don't realize these people exist, but there are millions of them. You've got to be able to look outside your bubble and realize there are a lot of people who live dramatically different lives than you.

Not that it really matters, because those people won't be using the train regardless. They will get an Uber or rent a car or do something else.
 
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TrainsOfDisney

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Disone said:
On the majority of Americans do not travel to Walt Disney World as their only vacation spot. This is not a true statement.
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UNCgolf said:
That's not what I said -- not sure why people are taking it that way.
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UNCgolf said:
The average American WDW guest (especially the ones that don't travel internationally) likely goes to WDW and nowhere else.

Not saying you're wrong at all -- I just think a significant portion of WDW visitors (and I wouldn't be surprised if it's the majority) have no experience with picking up luggage and carrying it across multiple forms of transportation.
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UNCgolf

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TrainChasers said:
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I probably shouldn't have used the word average, but I meant it in terms of "the Average Joe". I wasn't suggesting that the majority of American WDW guests are like that (especially since I specifically eliminated anyone who has ever traveled internationally).

The majority part in the second sentence had to do with doing multiple transportation transfers; it didn't have anything to do with visiting Disney. And I absolutely stand by that; most American airline travelers to an American destination are getting in a taxi or Uber/Lyft (or renting a car) to take them where they want to go so that they don't have to get on a train or bus with luggage.
 
UNCgolf

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TrainChasers said:
Who are all those people on the train with me!?!? Are they ghosts!? 👻
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Depends on where you live. There are areas of the US where train travel works (although never to the extent of Europe), but in huge areas of the US most people wouldn't even consider using a train except as a last resort.

Which is unfortunate. I wish the US had better rail service.
 
TrainsOfDisney

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UNCgolf said:
Depends on where you live. There are areas of the US where train travel works (although never to the extent of Europe), but in huge areas of the US most people wouldn't even consider using a train except as a last resort.

Which is unfortunate. I wish the US had better rail service.
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I travel all over the USA. Have you? Nobody has to use a train, I wouldn’t want to make anyone travel a mode of transit they don’t want to. Lol.
 

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