That is not what the CDC said today. They said the vaccines are highly effective but not 100%. Therefore, the vaccine greatly reduces the probability of anyone catching it. If it does significantly lower the possibility of catching it means it does prevent most people from getting it.
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danlb_2000
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My company hired so many people during the pandemic, they won't all fit back in our building if we brought everybody back.
GoofGoof
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Not much really changes in FL right? The state has already removed mostly all Covid mitigation practices and has prevented the localities from enforcing their own. There is no mask mandates, no statewide limits on restaurants or indoor dining capacity. Individual businesses would have no obligation to change their policy one way or the other. I would imagine the relaxing of government mandates will have a much bigger impact on states like CA or NY that had more of them to remove.
MaryJaneP
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A few questions
1. Is it very hands-on or very hands-off if the store will permit non-mask wearers to continue their visit anyway?
2. Is vaccine supposed to prevent catching the virus or to prevent serious illnesses from overloading the healthcare system?
3. Did a person in the government really suggest that the citizenry should please stop testing?
4. Will WDW choose as its first relaxation by the removal of the social distancing or the removal of masks?
1. Is it very hands-on or very hands-off if the store will permit non-mask wearers to continue their visit anyway?
2. Is vaccine supposed to prevent catching the virus or to prevent serious illnesses from overloading the healthcare system?
3. Did a person in the government really suggest that the citizenry should please stop testing?
4. Will WDW choose as its first relaxation by the removal of the social distancing or the removal of masks?
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Patcheslee
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Here they are looking into possibly making some positions permanently work from home. They sent "noncritical" office people home, divided the remaining between 2 seperate office areas, and closed the offices they had just renovated to open concept. Me and other people in similar rolls got booted to a shop floor desk in the production area. Already been told we won't be reassigned to an office environment when distancing is done. Imagine having Google meets with +85 decibels going around you
. I've learn to type quickly.Sometimes it was some fun though, people at home having little kids come peaking into view and waving behind their parents. It lightened up the stress.
danlb_2000
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2. The main thing the vaccines do is prevent you from getting sick, or at least less sick, if you catch the virus. This is what data from the trials shows. Vaccines also should reduce the chance of you spreading the virus if you have caught it, we are now starting to get good data showing that they are doing this.
4. Just a guess, but I would say social distancing first since masks have much less impact on part operations.
JoeCamel
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Does the name start with an A swoosh?
danlb_2000
Premium Member
"Disney Cruise Line is facing four federal lawsuits from Utah and Arizona tourists who claim they contacted the coronavirus while on board the Disney Fantasy ship last March, just before the cruise business docked during the pandemic.
The tourists said they contracted the virus while on board and began feeling sick, according to the four lawsuits filed March 2 in federal court’s Orlando division that each seek unspecified damages.
The lawsuits accused Disney of refusing to let passengers cancel or reschedule their cruises even if they had “autoimmune diseases and compromised health conditions,” so they were “left without any option” to go on their March 7-14, 2020 trip.
“Disney continued to allow passengers ... to eat in buffets settings, provide group entertainment activities aboard the vessel (such as dancing) and otherwise allowed passengers to fully participate in the subject cruise as if there was no COVID-19 outbreak or threat thereof aboard the vessel,” the lawsuits said.
The four plaintiffs retained the same Miami law firm and their complaints were similarly phrased in the court documents. The plaintiffs were Arizona residents Judy Parkin and Krystal Skinner and Utah residents Kailee Taylor and Scott and Jana Olsen.
Disney Cruise Line did not immediately provide a comment Monday.
Posted on the Disney Cruise Line’s website is a pandemic warning: “By sailing with Disney Cruise Line you voluntarily assume all risks related to exposure to COVID-19.”
The attorneys representing the four lawsuits, Stefanie Black and Jason Margulies, did not return messages.
The lawsuits provide brief details on the plaintiffs and their children’s symptoms.
After the ship returned, the lawsuit claimed, Scott and Jana Olson’s child was taken to a hospital intensive care unit on March 16, 2020, with a high fever and difficulty breathing.
The child, who had an unspecified autoimmune disease tested positive for COVID-19 on May 1, the lawsuit said. The parents also tested positive.
“Plaintiffs feared for their own lives as well as the lives of each other,” the lawsuit said.
One of Krystal Skinner’s children also had an autoimmune disease that wasn’t specified in the lawsuit and felt body aches, fever, chills and a cough on the cruise. Her other child, who has asthma, had migraines, a high fever and difficulty breathing, the lawsuit stated.
Both tested positive for COVID-19 on April 15, the lawsuit said. Their mother also felt sick on board and tested positive the same day as her children, according to the lawsuit.
The lawsuits outlined a timeline early last year that showed how concerns that the highly contagious virus was a threat to cruise ships became public.
That timeline included Carnival’s Diamond Princess, which had a COVID-19 outbreak of nearly 700 cases in early February and quarantined for two weeks while anchored at Yokohama Harbor in Japan. The lawsuit said the incident was “an early, dire warning of how easily COVID-19 could spread on massive ocean liners” for Disney Cruise Line and the cruise industry.
On March 8, 2020, the day after the Fantasy left, the U.S. Department of State recommended Americans should not travel on cruise ships."
www.orlandosentinel.com
The tourists said they contracted the virus while on board and began feeling sick, according to the four lawsuits filed March 2 in federal court’s Orlando division that each seek unspecified damages.
The lawsuits accused Disney of refusing to let passengers cancel or reschedule their cruises even if they had “autoimmune diseases and compromised health conditions,” so they were “left without any option” to go on their March 7-14, 2020 trip.
“Disney continued to allow passengers ... to eat in buffets settings, provide group entertainment activities aboard the vessel (such as dancing) and otherwise allowed passengers to fully participate in the subject cruise as if there was no COVID-19 outbreak or threat thereof aboard the vessel,” the lawsuits said.
The four plaintiffs retained the same Miami law firm and their complaints were similarly phrased in the court documents. The plaintiffs were Arizona residents Judy Parkin and Krystal Skinner and Utah residents Kailee Taylor and Scott and Jana Olsen.
Disney Cruise Line did not immediately provide a comment Monday.
Posted on the Disney Cruise Line’s website is a pandemic warning: “By sailing with Disney Cruise Line you voluntarily assume all risks related to exposure to COVID-19.”
The attorneys representing the four lawsuits, Stefanie Black and Jason Margulies, did not return messages.
The lawsuits provide brief details on the plaintiffs and their children’s symptoms.
After the ship returned, the lawsuit claimed, Scott and Jana Olson’s child was taken to a hospital intensive care unit on March 16, 2020, with a high fever and difficulty breathing.
The child, who had an unspecified autoimmune disease tested positive for COVID-19 on May 1, the lawsuit said. The parents also tested positive.
“Plaintiffs feared for their own lives as well as the lives of each other,” the lawsuit said.
One of Krystal Skinner’s children also had an autoimmune disease that wasn’t specified in the lawsuit and felt body aches, fever, chills and a cough on the cruise. Her other child, who has asthma, had migraines, a high fever and difficulty breathing, the lawsuit stated.
Both tested positive for COVID-19 on April 15, the lawsuit said. Their mother also felt sick on board and tested positive the same day as her children, according to the lawsuit.
The lawsuits outlined a timeline early last year that showed how concerns that the highly contagious virus was a threat to cruise ships became public.
That timeline included Carnival’s Diamond Princess, which had a COVID-19 outbreak of nearly 700 cases in early February and quarantined for two weeks while anchored at Yokohama Harbor in Japan. The lawsuit said the incident was “an early, dire warning of how easily COVID-19 could spread on massive ocean liners” for Disney Cruise Line and the cruise industry.
On March 8, 2020, the day after the Fantasy left, the U.S. Department of State recommended Americans should not travel on cruise ships."
Disney Cruise Line passengers sue Disney, claim they caught COVID-19 on one of its ships
Disney Cruise Line is facing four federal lawsuits from Utah and Arizona tourists who claim they contracted the coronavirus while on board the Disney Fantasy ship last March, just before the cruise…
www.orlandosentinel.com
Tom P.
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Yes, it does. You're working off of old information. All of the data from multiple studies has shown the vaccine not only inhibits symptoms, but actually prevents catching or spreading Covid. Even the CDC acknowledged that today in their most recent guidelines. That's why they say it's okay for vaccinated people to associated unmasked with low-risk people, because there's virtually no chance of transmitting the virus once you've been vaccinated.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
- I would say hands off to allow people to ignore the mask rules. Enforcing the mask rules could result in an employee literally putting their “hands on” a customer to remove them from the store
- The vaccines appear to be greater than 95% effective at preventing hospitalization and death in those vaccinated. Recent studies also show they are >85% effective at preventing even asymptomatic infection leading to the belief that those vaccinated are highly unlikely to be able to infect someone else
- Not in the current government. There was some suggestion from people in the government last year that our numbers only looked bad because we may have been doing too much testing.
- I have no inside information but based on impact to business I would guess distancing is relaxed first since it has such a large impact on capacity. Anecdotally, in the last few months they added plexiglass to some ride vehicles to reduce ride vehicle distancing and also changed the every other row requirement on rollercoasters. At the same time they reiterated that masks must be worn even while seated in a dining establishment if you aren’t actively eating. So ride distancing is already beginning to relax a little while masks are staying firm. There has been no change to restaurant or queue distancing so it may be certain types of distancing like on rides and outdoors that could be relaxed first.
GoofGoof
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UK and Israel studies show the Pfizer vaccine is highly effective at protecting against spread of Covid. 86% UK and 89% in Israel.
The growing evidence that the Covid-19 vaccines can reduce transmission, explained
Here’s what we know about how the vaccines protect against spread of the virus.
www.vox.com
JoeCamel
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Sounds like Miami law firm went trolling for clients so they could take a peek in the deep pockets."Disney Cruise Line is facing four federal lawsuits from Utah and Arizona tourists who claim they contacted the coronavirus while on board the Disney Fantasy ship last March, just before the cruise business docked during the pandemic.
The tourists said they contracted the virus while on board and began feeling sick, according to the four lawsuits filed March 2 in federal court’s Orlando division that each seek unspecified damages.
The lawsuits accused Disney of refusing to let passengers cancel or reschedule their cruises even if they had “autoimmune diseases and compromised health conditions,” so they were “left without any option” to go on their March 7-14, 2020 trip.
“Disney continued to allow passengers ... to eat in buffets settings, provide group entertainment activities aboard the vessel (such as dancing) and otherwise allowed passengers to fully participate in the subject cruise as if there was no COVID-19 outbreak or threat thereof aboard the vessel,” the lawsuits said.
The four plaintiffs retained the same Miami law firm and their complaints were similarly phrased in the court documents. The plaintiffs were Arizona residents Judy Parkin and Krystal Skinner and Utah residents Kailee Taylor and Scott and Jana Olsen.
Disney Cruise Line did not immediately provide a comment Monday.
Posted on the Disney Cruise Line’s website is a pandemic warning: “By sailing with Disney Cruise Line you voluntarily assume all risks related to exposure to COVID-19.”
The attorneys representing the four lawsuits, Stefanie Black and Jason Margulies, did not return messages.
The lawsuits provide brief details on the plaintiffs and their children’s symptoms.
After the ship returned, the lawsuit claimed, Scott and Jana Olson’s child was taken to a hospital intensive care unit on March 16, 2020, with a high fever and difficulty breathing.
The child, who had an unspecified autoimmune disease tested positive for COVID-19 on May 1, the lawsuit said. The parents also tested positive.
“Plaintiffs feared for their own lives as well as the lives of each other,” the lawsuit said.
One of Krystal Skinner’s children also had an autoimmune disease that wasn’t specified in the lawsuit and felt body aches, fever, chills and a cough on the cruise. Her other child, who has asthma, had migraines, a high fever and difficulty breathing, the lawsuit stated.
Both tested positive for COVID-19 on April 15, the lawsuit said. Their mother also felt sick on board and tested positive the same day as her children, according to the lawsuit.
The lawsuits outlined a timeline early last year that showed how concerns that the highly contagious virus was a threat to cruise ships became public.
That timeline included Carnival’s Diamond Princess, which had a COVID-19 outbreak of nearly 700 cases in early February and quarantined for two weeks while anchored at Yokohama Harbor in Japan. The lawsuit said the incident was “an early, dire warning of how easily COVID-19 could spread on massive ocean liners” for Disney Cruise Line and the cruise industry.
On March 8, 2020, the day after the Fantasy left, the U.S. Department of State recommended Americans should not travel on cruise ships."
Disney Cruise Line passengers sue Disney, claim they caught COVID-19 on one of its ships
Disney Cruise Line is facing four federal lawsuits from Utah and Arizona tourists who claim they contracted the coronavirus while on board the Disney Fantasy ship last March, just before the cruise…
I don't know maritime law but I hear stories of foreign flag vessels not being accountable for injuries suffered onboard? Is there a cause of action here or are they trolling for a settlement before it gets dismissed?
Surely it was filed now to try and beat the 1 year statute
Chip Chipperson
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"Disney Cruise Line is facing four federal lawsuits from Utah and Arizona tourists who claim they contacted the coronavirus while on board the Disney Fantasy ship last March, just before the cruise business docked during the pandemic.
The tourists said they contracted the virus while on board and began feeling sick, according to the four lawsuits filed March 2 in federal court’s Orlando division that each seek unspecified damages.
The lawsuits accused Disney of refusing to let passengers cancel or reschedule their cruises even if they had “autoimmune diseases and compromised health conditions,” so they were “left without any option” to go on their March 7-14, 2020 trip.
“Disney continued to allow passengers ... to eat in buffets settings, provide group entertainment activities aboard the vessel (such as dancing) and otherwise allowed passengers to fully participate in the subject cruise as if there was no COVID-19 outbreak or threat thereof aboard the vessel,” the lawsuits said.
The four plaintiffs retained the same Miami law firm and their complaints were similarly phrased in the court documents. The plaintiffs were Arizona residents Judy Parkin and Krystal Skinner and Utah residents Kailee Taylor and Scott and Jana Olsen.
Disney Cruise Line did not immediately provide a comment Monday.
Posted on the Disney Cruise Line’s website is a pandemic warning: “By sailing with Disney Cruise Line you voluntarily assume all risks related to exposure to COVID-19.”
The attorneys representing the four lawsuits, Stefanie Black and Jason Margulies, did not return messages.
The lawsuits provide brief details on the plaintiffs and their children’s symptoms.
After the ship returned, the lawsuit claimed, Scott and Jana Olson’s child was taken to a hospital intensive care unit on March 16, 2020, with a high fever and difficulty breathing.
The child, who had an unspecified autoimmune disease tested positive for COVID-19 on May 1, the lawsuit said. The parents also tested positive.
“Plaintiffs feared for their own lives as well as the lives of each other,” the lawsuit said.
One of Krystal Skinner’s children also had an autoimmune disease that wasn’t specified in the lawsuit and felt body aches, fever, chills and a cough on the cruise. Her other child, who has asthma, had migraines, a high fever and difficulty breathing, the lawsuit stated.
Both tested positive for COVID-19 on April 15, the lawsuit said. Their mother also felt sick on board and tested positive the same day as her children, according to the lawsuit.
The lawsuits outlined a timeline early last year that showed how concerns that the highly contagious virus was a threat to cruise ships became public.
That timeline included Carnival’s Diamond Princess, which had a COVID-19 outbreak of nearly 700 cases in early February and quarantined for two weeks while anchored at Yokohama Harbor in Japan. The lawsuit said the incident was “an early, dire warning of how easily COVID-19 could spread on massive ocean liners” for Disney Cruise Line and the cruise industry.
On March 8, 2020, the day after the Fantasy left, the U.S. Department of State recommended Americans should not travel on cruise ships."
Disney Cruise Line passengers sue Disney, claim they caught COVID-19 on one of its ships
Disney Cruise Line is facing four federal lawsuits from Utah and Arizona tourists who claim they contracted the coronavirus while on board the Disney Fantasy ship last March, just before the cruise…
I can't imagine that they actually win. They knew their child has an autoimmune disease and another child is asthmatic, were afraid to go on the cruise due to the virus, and went on the cruise anyway because they "had no choice" since Disney wouldn't give them a refund? They had a choice, but they apparently felt the cost of the cruise outweighed the risk to their children's (and their own) health. They made their choice and now they want Disney to pay for it. Should DCL have offered a refund under the circumstances to anyone wishing to cancel their trip? Yes, but once they refuse then it's up to the customer to decide if getting on the ship is worth the risk or if they'd rather lose the money but prioritize their health and safety. The money paid for the cruise was gone no matter what, so why risk having hospital bills on top of it?
Kevin_W
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I'm not a lawyer, but that would be my take. Sailed on March 7-14 and was diagnosed May 1? That seems like an awfully long incubation.
"Floridians age 60 and older will be able to receive the COVID-19 vaccine starting next week, Gov. Ron DeSantis announced Monday.
He said the minimum age for vaccination eligibility will drop from 65 to 60 as of Monday, March 15.
That means people age 60 and older will be able to get the COVID-19 vaccine at all participating pharmacies and vaccination sites across the state."
He said the minimum age for vaccination eligibility will drop from 65 to 60 as of Monday, March 15.
That means people age 60 and older will be able to get the COVID-19 vaccine at all participating pharmacies and vaccination sites across the state."
Kevin_W
Well-Known Member
"Floridians age 60 and older will be able to receive the COVID-19 vaccine starting next week, Gov. Ron DeSantis announced Monday.
Ohio is starting age 50+ for vaccinations this Thursday. It's moving along!
Ohio is starting age 50+ for vaccinations this Thursday. It's moving along!
DisneyCane
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Counties and municipalities can and still do impose restrictions. For example, Broward County still requires restaurants to maintain 6 foot distancing between tables unless doing so would cause the capacity to be less than 50%, in which case they are allowed to have 50%. They also limit movie theatres, concert venues, etc. to 50% capacity and require 6ft distancing.
Broward also has a mask mandate which they say can be enforced with fines but the fines can't be collected for the duration of the Governor's executive order.
I anticipate that at some combination of lower case numbers and higher percentage of vaccinations, Governor Desantis will issue an executive order that prevents counties or municipalities from having any restrictions, similar to what Governor Abbott did in Texas.
It is a myth that Florida isn't under any restrictions. I think that pretty much all of the high population counties have restrictions.
JoeCamel
Well-Known Member
At this point anyone who qualifies, is near or can get to a population center should be able to schedule an appointment. I was in Publix this morning (retirement community) and they had a table set up to make appointments, looked like you could have got a vaccine on the spot.
The FEMA site is ramping up to 4000 a day in Tampa and the popups they are running are delivering 3K a day to several smaller communities. I think it is the same for Orange county or will be soon.
Glad he lowered it, I think another week and it might come down 5 more.
The FEMA site is ramping up to 4000 a day in Tampa and the popups they are running are delivering 3K a day to several smaller communities. I think it is the same for Orange county or will be soon.
Glad he lowered it, I think another week and it might come down 5 more.
JoeCamel
Well-Known Member
Hearing today in Tampa for 5 bars to determine the length of suspension of liquor licenses for superbowl and other nights around the event, they were warned and continued to flaunt mask requirements.
eta: 3 bars got 3 days suspension and one got 5 days
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