Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Polkadotdress

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Trying to paint it as some positive is incredibly rude and patronizing. Some of us lost our primary income and health insurance for months. Some lost businesses and life savings. Some will never be able to recover economically. Some older people missed their last opportunity to spend a holiday with their loved ones.
You misunderstand, I was responding to the person who said the year spent under restrictions have been a "lost year" out of our lives. We too experienced job/income loss that we are still working through in our household. But, the time we've spent together has been positive. My husband has become an expert bread baker and my son has taken up piano.
 

BrianLo

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I mean they're islands so...

I think there is a large amount of homogeny in the states simply because people can so freely travel. So there is a lot of curtailing to the lowest common denominator policy wise.

On the other hand there is a huge statistical difference between Canada and the US, despite nothing more than a made-up border. Early in the Pandemic the population density was used as an excuse, but now even the underpopulated US states stack up horribly.

Not to say Canada did well, it really didn't. But the invisible line in the soil did not make for a nearly three-fold better performance, policy and mitigation did.

Being an Island does really help, but it doesn't make or break the performance. Hawaii and Puerto Rico did fine, but relatively poor compared to most Islands. The UK really did not utilize their advantage.
 

Disney Experience

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Except prior exposure does not appear to provide longterm immunity. The “benchmark” now seems to be 90 days.

That’s nothing

Everyone line up and arms out...save the chatter.


I know that it’s not what people want to hear...either side...but it’s the endgame. Look at the history of the polio vaccine as a good example.
Probably longer than 3 months...
Before this latest study, Rodda said work had been done by her research team and others, showing that antibodies are maintained for at least 3 months.

In her team’s study, in particular, it was shown that this occurs even in people who have mild symptoms.

Their study also suggested that immunity could last much longer.

In a different study published in The New England Journal of Medicine, researchers in Iceland studied 1,107 people who had recovered from COVID-19 and tested positive for the antibodies.

Over a 4-month period, they found that those COVID-19 antibodies did not decline.

A study published in the journal Immunity found that people who recover from even mild cases of COVID-19 produce antibodies for at least 5 to 7 months and could last much longer
 

seabreezept813

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The large NYC hospitals have already been gradually relaxing those rules for a while.
The zero-visitors were really only at the height of overwhelmed hospitals last Spring.

For example, at New York Presbyterian since January:

"At all other NYP locations, visitation hours for adult patients are from 2:00 pm to 6:00 pm daily. During this timeframe, one adult visitor is permitted per day for a maximum stay of four hours. We ask that this visitor remain at the bedside throughout the visit unless directed by the care team, and the visitor not convene in any waiting space or communal area inside the Hospital."

That seems to me to be a pretty decent balance.
Not the same thing, but I’m due to have a baby in a few weeks and was just told that they’re letting one visitor in a day as of about a week ago. I’ve been told all along that they know how important support is and that as soon as numbers dictate they will keep loosening guidelines.
 

drizgirl

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You misunderstand, I was responding to the person who said the year spent under restrictions have been a "lost year" out of our lives. We too experienced job/income loss that we are still working through in our household. But, the time we've spent together has been positive. My husband has become an expert bread baker and my son has taken up piano.
I don't misunderstand. That's fine if you have found some silver linings. But don't throw that out as some sort of counter balance to the high price so many have paid. The economic hit has been devastating to some families. Learning to play piano or bake bread isn't much consolation in those cases.
 

Disney Experience

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Except prior exposure does not appear to provide longterm immunity. The “benchmark” now seems to be 90 days.

That’s nothing

Everyone line up and arms out...save the chatter.


I know that it’s not what people want to hear...either side...but it’s the endgame. Look at the history of the polio vaccine as a good example.
And in my particular case being vaccinated(not the same as having had covid) in September (and assuming I was not exposed to the actual virus after that) my blood still has covid antibodies detectable in my latest blood donation.
 

DisneyCane

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And in my particular case being vaccinated(not the same as having had covid) in September (and assuming I was not exposed to the actual virus after that) my blood still has covid antibodies detectable in my latest blood donation.
My Mom's primary care doctor had COVID-19 back in April of last year and still had high levels of antibodies in December when he elected not to be vaccinated figuring the doses were better used on somebody else. How long immunity lasts after actually being infected is far from settled science at this point.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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My Mom's primary care doctor had COVID-19 back in April of last year and still had high levels of antibodies in December when he elected not to be vaccinated figuring the doses were better used on somebody else. How long immunity lasts after actually being infected is far from settled science at this point.

...neither is the search for intelligent life in the state of Florida.

The current cdc guidelines are to wait 90 days to be vaccinated after a diagnosed covid case. But I bet they threw darts at a board for that number 🤔
 

DisneyCane

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The flu “disappearance,” or darn near it, is due to both the marginal shot AND masks. Knowing Pfizer/BNT are working on mRNA flu shots that can be modified in the season for dominant strain(s) could be a game-changer for future flu seasons. Hopefully within the half-decade.

But, your point is well taken.
I think the social distancing and various indoor restrictions helps a lot with the flu. Also the focus on don't go to work if you are sick.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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sullyinMT

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I think the social distancing and various indoor restrictions helps a lot with the flu. Also the focus on don't go to work if you are sick.
Yes, it is definitely multifaceted. Not to be attributed to one mitigation or another. Again, if people want to wear masks in future flu seasons, more power to them. Hopefully schools and offices (kids and workplaces being primary spread locations for cold/flu season) have learned to keep things clean in perpetuity. Cruise lines learned a lot and large infestations of norovirus hardly pop up there anymore. Hopefully cruise buffets in their traditional sense are long gone, too.

I agree 100% that workplace (and, again, classroom) sick policies need major restructuring going forward. Let's not lose the momentum when we're able to call the pandemic itself "over."
 

sullyinMT

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“At least 3 months” is where you set the benchmark. The fact that it lasts longer in some or even most is irrelevant. It muddies an already swampy public message waters.
As data comes in, that timeline is likely to change for vaccine recipients. In increments of 3 months (or whatever), as data allows. We just don't know yet, and that's ok.
 

seabreezept813

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Yes, I understand that. Here in CT, it is anticipated that we will soon be at 100k new first doses per week. There are about 2.2 million adults who have not initiated vaccination. Trends nationwide show about 2/3 of those eligible for vaccine are trying to get it. That is 1.5 million people. So everyone who is eligible and wants the vaccine would get it (not sign up—get shot 1) by 6/7. Shot 2 by 7/5.

With that said, it is anticipated that we will exceed 100k first shots per week soon (especially when JnJ appreciably appears in April). That will easily pull first dose availability to Memorial Day and 2nd dose by late June for Moderna and Pfizer. Then people will trickle in over the summer along with, at some point, kids.

I can’t speak for how other states are running the show but here, you could sign up today for a shot in March (just signed MIL up)—not months into the future. I do recognize that, for some reason, CT is #3 in vaccine administration in the country—and doing much better than other densely-populated states. Someone is doing something right...
My husband is an essential worker in CT. He was just given paperwork to send his info to the state and they’d assign him an appointment. We’re still waiting to hear from them, but we’re impressed that he didn’t have to make the appointment and that they want to take care of workers.
 

Stitch826

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Yes, it is definitely multifaceted. Not to be attributed to one mitigation or another. Again, if people want to wear masks in future flu seasons, more power to them. Hopefully schools and offices (kids and workplaces being primary spread locations for cold/flu season) have learned to keep things clean in perpetuity. Cruise lines learned a lot and large infestations of norovirus hardly pop up there anymore. Hopefully cruise buffets in their traditional sense are long gone, too.

I agree 100% that workplace (and, again, classroom) sick policies need major restructuring going forward. Let's not lose the momentum when we're able to call the pandemic itself "over."
Regarding sick policies for workplaces and schools, how does an employer or teacher distinguish a sneeze or sniffles as the cold/flu/Covid versus simply seasonal allergies? How does an employer create a sick leave policy that is both fair and enforceable? If it’s too rigid, employees may end up coming to work sick. If it’s too lenient (as it is where I currently work), the bad employees will walk all over it and the management will do nothing. Meanwhile, the good employees consistently get stuck picking up the absent employees’ slack.
 

sullyinMT

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Regarding sick policies for workplaces and schools, how does an employer or teacher distinguish a sneeze or sniffles as the cold/flu/Covid versus simply seasonal allergies? How does an employer create a sick leave policy that is both fair and enforceable? If it’s too rigid, employees may end up coming to work sick. If it’s too lenient (as it is where I currently work), the bad employees will walk all over it and the management will do nothing. Meanwhile, the good employees consistently get stuck picking up the absent employees’ slack.
Teachers and school administrators can't distinguish, but we shouldn't get hung up on that. My oldest, a 7th grader, had to come home from school just before Halloween due to being nauseated from what was probably hypoglycemia. Working in an OR, getting out to pick him up was an inconvenience to more that just me, but I can't fault the school for being hyper cautious. Their policy is 24 hours symptom free without medications, or a negative test result. So, he could have technically returned to school the next day after lunch. We kept him home for the whole day, and he was able to sign in to his classes and make up the work while also enjoying some time on the couch.

I don't disagree that we probably all have at least one coworker who would abuse a lax policy. But I'd take that over bringing home a bad bug and spreading it to my family and patients. I'd also argue that current policies largely are/were too strict, and that's how we ended up with a societal norm of "being tough and pushing through." We've been taught ad nauseum that we're bad coworkers or possibly even bad people if we "stiff" the office a day's work for some minor cold. Especially with the newfound ability to collaborate from home, a lot of industries could even allow work in the dining room without taking PTO. All the while protecting others. Of course, companies may also need to review the policy of one PTO "bank" for vacations/personal days and "sick" time.
 
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Disney Experience

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A few days old news, but it looks like Pfizer is looking for permission to allow the vaccine to be stored at regular refrigerator temperature for a few weeks.
 

Lilofan

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Regarding sick policies for workplaces and schools, how does an employer or teacher distinguish a sneeze or sniffles as the cold/flu/Covid versus simply seasonal allergies? How does an employer create a sick leave policy that is both fair and enforceable? If it’s too rigid, employees may end up coming to work sick. If it’s too lenient (as it is where I currently work), the bad employees will walk all over it and the management will do nothing. Meanwhile, the good employees consistently get stuck picking up the absent employees’ slack.
A fair and enforceable sick policy is what some companies do. Accrue a certain amount of missed work days per the employee contract the the employee signs off on and risk termination if the amount of missed work gets to that amount. Bottom line is employees do come to work sick to avoid being fired .
 

Tom P.

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Correct.... saying anyone can sign up for a vaccine as of May 3rd... is pretty consistent with the timeline announced by Biden that everyone can get fully vaccinated by the end of July. And even that might be a little too optimistic.
From several days of reading your posts here, I suspect that if someone said, "I think the sun will come up tomorrow," you would say that might be a little too optimistic.
 
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