Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[GoofGoof]

There's nothing to "figure out." Either you put in severe restrictions that take away people's freedoms and significantly reduce the spread while the restrictions are in place or you give people information and let them decide what they want to do to protect themselves. Also, if you show your data per capita, you'll find that your great state of NJ has over twice the deaths per capita as FL and FL is #20 and a hair below national average despite a population that skews elderly and a governor that is apparently incompetent and trying to kill as many people as possible (according to some on here).

Your debate style is impressive. Just keep changing the subject and speaking in riddles.

NY/NJ and the Northeast where the first areas who got hit with the first wave. That’s when most of the death occurred when community spread wasn’t even known due to lack of testing and was already rampant before things were restricted. FL had a delayed start of the first wave so had advanced warning of the problem. What prevented FL from having as many deaths as NY/NJ is they locked down sooner before their first wave took full hold. That’s a fact. So by making the argument that FL handled things better you are arguing that their stay at home orders were more successful. It’s not like FL stayed open and still did better. They had stay at home orders in the Spring just like everyone else. You yourself were “locked down” and unable to even leave the house. I‘d say that is proof the stay at home orders worked well in FL.

Now if you want to compare deaths per capita after say May 1, I think you will find NJ did much better than FL. Again, proof the restrictions work.

 

[Jrb1979]

Numbers are out - there were *217 new reported deaths, along with 3 Non-Florida Resident deaths.

*This covers the past 2 days. The graphs below cover 12/31 and 1/1.

Apologies if the format is off here - working on mobile - will fix later.

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That positivity rate isn't good at all.

 

[GoofGoof]

Numbers are out - there were *217 new reported deaths, along with 3 Non-Florida Resident deaths.

*This covers the past 2 days. The graphs below cover 12/31 and 1/1.

Apologies if the format is off here - working on mobile - will fix later.

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Remember when FL was approaching the 2,100 cases a day threshold that was needed to get them off the quarantine list back in early Sept? 10X that now for a single day. Really shows how much spread has increased. I think we have to wait another 4 or 5 days for all the testing delays to smooth out, but not a great trend.

 

[GoofGoof]

Vaccination total for the CDC updated to 4,225,756 as of 9am on 1/2 so essentially a little over 4M vaccinated in 2020 out of the 20M projected originally. Not a great start to the program, but there is probably still lag in reporting. Even if the number is double what’s reported due to lag that’s still half the total desired. It’s still 1.3% of the population vaccinated when many thought we would never have a vaccine at all in 2020.

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[Sirwalterraleigh]

Vaccination total for the CDC updated to 4,225,756 as of 9am on 1/2 so essentially a little over 4M vaccinated in 2020 out of the 20M projected originally. Not a great start to the program, but there is probably still lag in reporting. Even if the number is double what’s reported due to lag that’s still half the total desired. It’s still 1.3% of the population vaccinated when many thought we would never have a vaccine at all in 2020.

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The 21% students shall RULE THE WORLD!!!

 

[oceanbreeze77]

I'm going to predict that in a month or so it will get to a point where states are just going to say "whoever wants a vaccine, make an appointment." Socal is having a major issue with getting enough people to take the vaccine and they need people so the doses dont expire.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I'm going to predict that in a month or so it will get to a point where states are just going to say "whoever wants a vaccine, make an appointment." Socal is having a major issue with getting enough people to take the vaccine and they need people so the doses dont expire.

Insane...something in the water in California...it’s becoming as inconsistent/Nonsensical as Florida

 

[GoofGoof]

I'm going to predict that in a month or so it will get to a point where states are just going to say "whoever wants a vaccine, make an appointment." Socal is having a major issue with getting enough people to take the vaccine and they need people so the doses dont expire.

It will be a lot easier once the qualifications to get one are not so strict. They are holding back due to demand but you really don’t know how many people will ultimately want the vaccine so they are guessing. Then you see stories about people cutting the line but if you don’t use the doses they just expire. I think once tens and hundreds of millions of people are eligible the demand will far exceed supply everywhere and we will flip to the opposite problem.

 

[Chomama]

That positivity rate isn't good at all.

Agree but I would love to see it here. Ours is 35-40% for over a month and no one is doing anything about it.

 

[techgeek]

There's nothing to "figure out." Either you put in severe restrictions that take away people's freedoms and significantly reduce the spread while the restrictions are in place or you give people information and let them decide what they want to do to protect themselves.

I must have missed the part where the State of Florida has given the people “all the information they need to make their own decisions”...

In fact, the state and its leadership have constantly been criticized for obscuring data, ignoring or contradicting published guidelines, and minimizing the threat of Covid at every turn. Now that we need to push vaccinations, the Governor finally turns up but then fails to come forward with a unified plan, instead pushing it off on already stressed county health departments to make up whatever delivery plan they want to.

 

[DCBaker]

Current vaccine report for Florida -

 

[Darkprime]

I'm going to predict that in a month or so it will get to a point where states are just going to say "whoever wants a vaccine, make an appointment." Socal is having a major issue with getting enough people to take the vaccine and they need people so the doses dont expire.

Im not even from the U.S. but have been wondering if this might happen as well. I'm also expecting in a few months many states are going to say screw it and lift all COVID restrictions just in time for the summer. No one is going to lose another summer to social distancing. They know this. Everyone knows it. I would have no problems with rich people and celebrities cutting the line at this point if people are actively turning down the vaccine. People cutting the line and wanting the vaccine doesn't make their vaccination any less valid or valuable imo. Maybe seeing celebrities get the vaccine might encourage others to get it as well. In fact I wont be shocked if we find out 6 months from now such and such actor was vaccinated back in early 2021. Like its no big deal. We already know director Oliver Stone somehow managed to get the Russian COVID vaccine.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I’ve seen some that are up and running around me. Can’t figure out what freedom people are still chanting for cause it seems everything is open as usual now.

 

[GoofGoof]

I’ve seen some that are up and running around me. Can’t figure out what freedom people are still chanting for cause it seems everything is open as usual now.

The ones at Disney that have come back are serving family style at the table instead of using the common serving trays and utensils. I think that includes Crystal Palace and Chef Mickeys now. The rest will probably follow as park capacity is ramped up and the rest of the resorts reopen. For the sake of capacity they really need to get those places open since they are generally large spaces. I don’t know if/when they will return as actual buffets.

 

[DCBaker]

 

[GoofGoof]

Just to level set for a minute on Covid. We are approaching 350K Americans dead from Covid. Of those who died 83% had some sort of comorbidity and 17% had none. Based on those percentages about 60,000 Americans without any comorbidity died from Covid. In reference to age 30% of Covid deaths were people under 60 or 105,000 deaths. So while it’s accurate to say that the vast majority of deaths or serious illness from covid happens in the elderly or people with comorbidities it’s not exclusive to those groups. Many families lost loved ones who weren’t old and/or didn’t take poor care of themselves. It’s too simple to just dismiss the risks to everyone else and place blame on people’s lifestyle choices. Most people could do a better job with taking care of themselves: eating better, exercising more, working on stress and mental health. That discussion is totally valid and I agree it’s a problem in this country, I just think Covid is a little more complicated than we should have eaten better or exercised more. I have a cousin who was in his early 30s, no major health conditions and he’s no longer with us thanks to Covid.

Contributor: Links Between COVID-19 Comorbidities, Mortality Detailed in FAIR Health Study

In patients under age 70, lung cancer conferred the highest risk of death from coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19).

www.ajmc.com

 

[Stitch826]

The ones at Disney that have come back are serving family style at the table instead of using the common serving trays and utensils. I think that includes Crystal Palace and Chef Mickeys now. The rest will probably follow as park capacity is ramped up and the rest of the resorts reopen. For the sake of capacity they really need to get those places open since they are generally large spaces. I don’t know if/when they will return as actual buffets.

I don’t see why Disney doesn’t do what a couple restaurants with buffets near where I live did: make buffets cafeteria-style. Put plexiglass on the customer side and have employees plate up the food as you walk through the line, then hand you the plate when finished. Yes, it’d require more employees to work per shift than what they’re using now. However, with the prices they charge, it shouldn’t be an issue. (When I was there in 2017, I saw that Chef Mickey’s dinner buffet was over $50 per adult.)

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Just to level set for a minute on Covid. We are approaching 350K Americans dead from Covid. Of those who died 83% had some sort of comorbidity and 17% had none. Based on those percentages about 60,000 Americans without any comorbidity died from Covid. In reference to age 30% of Covid deaths were people under 60 or 105,000 deaths. So while it’s accurate to say that the vast majority of deaths or serious illness from covid happens in the elderly or people with comorbidities it’s not exclusive to those groups. Many families lost loved ones who weren’t old and/or didn’t take poor care of themselves. It’s too simple to just dismiss the risks to everyone else and place blame on people’s lifestyle choices. Most people could do a better job with taking care of themselves: eating better, exercising more, working on stress and mental health. That discussion is totally valid and I agree it’s a problem in this country, I just think Covid is a little more complicated than we should have eaten better or exercised more. I have a cousin who was in his early 30s, no major health conditions and he’s no longer with us thanks to Covid.

Contributor: Links Between COVID-19 Comorbidities, Mortality Detailed in FAIR Health Study

In patients under age 70, lung cancer conferred the highest risk of death from coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19).

www.ajmc.com

Kinda makes that “at risk population” crap from the hoaxers seem stupid??

Wait...it was from day one. Cancel that!!!

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I don’t see why Disney doesn’t do what a couple restaurants with buffets near where I live did: make buffets cafeteria-style. Put plexiglass on the customer side and have employees plate up the food as you walk through the line, then hand you the plate when finished. Yes, it’d require more employees to work per shift than what they’re using now. However, with the prices they charge, it shouldn’t be an issue. (When I was there in 2017, I saw that Chef Mickey’s dinner buffet was over $50 per adult.)

You don’t seem to understand why it’s $50 a head...

 

[lazyboy97o]

When I was a child I went to the Disney Preview in Orlando. It was a trailer with limited seating. Disney had it to explain what he planned to do in Orlando/ Orange County. The model of the experimental city of tomorrow. Using the best urban design concepts of the time, a city would be built with optimized transportation and roads. It would highlight mans ingenuity and lead the way into a better tomorrow.

It looked futuristic and tens of thousands of Floridians would live there. Walt would have done it and hopefully it would have not felt like the stepford wives lived there. But the city would have risked the whole company. It was meant to continuously evolve, and if it had been built perhaps would have adapted to the needs of a pandemic better than our legacy city. It would have been interesting.

The urban plan of EPCOT was not really all that new. It’s emphasis on the pedestrian definitely would have helped to provide a base level of daily activity but it’s enclosed downtown and utilitidors probably would have been a nightmare for COVID.