Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[sedati]

Which is exactly what is wrong with this country. Almost half the country voted for Trump so you won't pay attention to what half the people in the country have to say? You can't be any more small minded and non-inclusive.

Vindictive to the point of self-sacrifice is an opinion that should at the very least be ignored. Open-minded and inclusive is not how I would describe the last four years (though covid itself has proven quite inclusive.)

 

[lazyboy97o]

But why post that at all? What’s the likelihood of an entire theater filled with COVID positive guests? This virus is bad enough as it is without using hyperbolic examples.

The whole point of constantly harping on the survival rate is to downplay that COVID-19 is the third leading cause of death in the US. It’s this attempt to claim that the number of deaths is overhyped because we accept other risks that are often falsely claimed to be riskier.

While becoming infected with a disease is not the same as choosing to engage in a certain activity, the larger narrative context needs to be considered. Claiming deaths are overhyped has gone hand-in-hand with claims that little to nothing should be done to contain the virus because it is not actually a big deal. That does make the comparisons more apt because the larger implication is that even a whole population becoming infected is not actually a big deal.

 

[Parker in NYC]

The whole point of constantly harping on the survival rate is to downplay that COVID-19 is the third leading cause of death in the US. It’s this attempt to claim that the number of deaths is overhyped because we accept other risks that are often falsely claimed to be riskier.

While becoming infected with a disease is not the same as choosing to engage in a certain activity, the larger narrative context needs to be considered. Claiming deaths are overhyped has gone hand-in-hand with claims that little to nothing should be done to contain the virus because it is not actually a big deal. That does make the comparisons more apt because the larger implication is that even a whole population becoming infected is not actually a big deal.

 

[Chi84]

The original discussion was trying to force an image of playing actual Russian roulette with a 1000 round barrel, which is not something that is easy to visualize. I was simply trying to find a more relatable way of relating with the numbers we have all acknowledged as true.

No one is suggesting that an actual theater be filled with Covid + guests in real life, or that there is a 99.8% risk of fatality associated with attending a showing of AA with or without mitigations. Reasonable people understand this. It's not hyperbolic to try to frame numbers like this in ways that can be quickly visualized and understood. "This is what 1000 people looks like. Imagine 2 of them not there anymore"... how is that hyperbolic?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the CDC not long ago estimated that 10% of Americans are infected with COVID. That would mean odds are 1 of the 100 people in the theater would have it. Then they would have to infect someone else. There aren't many studies, but one reported that even the spouse of a COVID patient had only a 30% chance of becoming infected - there was another study that put that higher, maybe 50%. Then, if someone was infected, they had a 99.8% chance of surviving.

The issue (and what's throwing off any kind of predictability) seems to be that this virus is not being transmitted evenly, as seen by super spreader events where one person is infecting a disproportionate number of others. I agree that reasonable people should understand all this, but it's easy enough to misunderstand this virus without the Russian roulette and American theater examples. Some people here clearly misunderstood, although I know that's not another poster's responsibility.

I don't in any way mean to underemphasize the impact of this virus - it's never just been about the survivability rate, but rather the power to sicken so many with dire effects on long-term health and the economy.

 

[GimpYancIent]

The whole point of constantly harping on the survival rate is to downplay that COVID-19 is the third leading cause of death in the US. It’s this attempt to claim that the number of deaths is overhyped because we accept other risks that are often falsely claimed to be riskier.

While becoming infected with a disease is not the same as choosing to engage in a certain activity, the larger narrative context needs to be considered. Claiming deaths are overhyped has gone hand-in-hand with claims that little to nothing should be done to contain the virus because it is not actually a big deal. That does make the comparisons more apt because the larger implication is that even a whole population becoming infected is not actually a big deal.

Hmmmm. So lets be clear you want to see the survival rates go down that way the death rates are more prominent?

 

[Disstevefan1]

I really like that show...but I can’t disagree. Maybe back at the EPCOT opening it was full

I love the show too, I am the nerd of the family asking the rest of the family to go in, I am just saying I have never seen it full on my 35 years of going to EPCOT..

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Hmmmm. So lets be clear you want to see the survival rates go down that way the death rates are more prominent?

I didn't get anything close to that when I read the post.

 

[GoofGoof]

The original discussion was trying to force an image of playing actual Russian roulette with a 1000 round barrel, which is not something that is easy to visualize. I was simply trying to find a more relatable way of relating with the numbers we have all acknowledged as true.

No one is suggesting that an actual theater be filled with Covid + guests in real life, or that there is a 99.8% risk of fatality associated with attending a showing of AA with or without mitigations. Reasonable people understand this. It's not hyperbolic to try to frame numbers like this in ways that can be quickly visualized and understood. "This is what 1000 people looks like. Imagine 2 of them not there anymore"... how is that hyperbolic? Especially when it’s the current reality?

The Russian Roulette analogy is a very basic and easy one to understand IMHO. I brought it up in reference to people getting together on Thanksgiving with extended family. The vast majority of people who do that against recommendations will be fine, no issue, no infections or death, but there will be some families where that’s not the case. We will see news stories where someone’s Thanksgiving dinner will be a super-spreader event. I was simply saying that I wouldn’t play Russian Roulette even if the gun had 1,000 chambers and my chance of getting the full one was 0.1%. Someone out there is going to be the loser and it’s not worth it to me. I love my family too much to even think about putting them into that position no matter how unlikely it is that I end up the loser.

 

[Parker in NYC]

Hmmmm. So lets be clear you want to see the survival rates go down that way the death rates are more prominent?

You know that's not what he meant but ten points for predictability.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Doesn't mean I'm going to stop, or want to stop, after this is over. and I certainly wouldn't teach my kids that it's not okay to do so. But hey, to each their own. If you don't like to touch other people in any way shape or form (outside of the pandemic environment) that's your decision.

Two questions:
1. Ocean county?
2. Last name ends in a vowel?

 

[Disstevefan1]

This vaccine has nothing to do with politics. If people want to give Trump full credit, fine by me as long as they take the vaccine. If other people want to give Biden credit, fine by me too as long as they take the vaccine. I’ll give full credit to Mike Pence’s fly if it means I get to go to WDW in August without a mask and see a fireworks show. What we can’t afford is some BS resistance to the vaccine over stupid political crap.

You are correct. The vaccine has nothing to do with politics when its released to the public on Jan 21st ,sorry, I could help it, just kidding, it will take longer than that, well into Joe's administration...

 

[Parker in NYC]

Two questions:
1. Ocean county?
2. Last name ends in a vowel?

I realize this isn't NJ but it's the stereotype I think of even though she's technically Armenian.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Hmmmm. So lets be clear you want to see the survival rates go down that way the death rates are more prominent?

Try again.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Widespread availability isn't being projected until Q2 of 2021. Hopefully by then everyone can get on board

The trick is going to be having people return for the second dose. Finishing a dose of antibiotics seems to be a challenge for some.

Say it ain't so Joe !!!!

 

[Parker in NYC]

Say it ain't so Joe !!!!

Can you stop with this, please? It's getting older than "the parks are still worth a full-price ticket."

 

[oceanbreeze77]

This vaccine news is great!!! We could be looking at a normal 2021 Holiday season!!! (with some of the new normal stuff of course)

 

[zombiebbq]

Two questions:
1. Ocean county?
2. Last name ends in a vowel?

I have no idea what you're talking about to be honest. And I live in Bergen County.

Edit: let me rephrase, I do know exactly what you're insinuating, I have no idea why it's relevant. I'm Irish.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

The vaccine news is good, but it will take much longer to make a dent in the pandemic if we don't all do our part to prevent spread.

Exactly this. We are going to have a very dark winter, and we will have a high daily body count, but this news gives us hope.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Can you stop with this, please? It's getting older than "the parks are still worth a full-price ticket."

In my opinion, right now, the parks are NOT worth a full-price ticket!

Ironically, in my opinion, in pre COVID when all WDW parks were super MOBBED it wasn't worth it due to extreme overcrowding and today its not worth it due to COIVID.

Given the choice, I will be glad with COVID is gone and the, parades, fireworks, FastPass, park hopping, characters, dining, and yes, MOBS return.

 

[hopemax]

I just wanted to jump in to remind people that while the medical community is impressed with Warp Speed, they are also frustrated by the single minded nature that accompanies this administration’s actions. They point out that if a fraction of the money spent on Warp Speed was spent on improving testing capabilities we could have been doing a lot more living this fall and winter. They believe we should have a rapid, in home testing, like a pregnancy test, at this point. But we put all the money in vaccines. Which is great for what happens in two years (counting from March 2020, not today) but as gets repeated ad nauseum, we can’t live this way for two years. Instead, we’re going into this second wave as blind as we were the first wave with identifying cases. Long lines at test sites, back to testing symptomatic only, etc.