oceanbreeze77
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if anything it would probably be a SMART business decision to require vaccination. Most people are on board with vaccines.
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Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion
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Dan Deesnee
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Not true. This is just one of many polls:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/321839/readiness-covid-vaccine-falls-past-month.aspx
You can't run a country / business / economy by locking out half of your clientele.
oceanbreeze77
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This poll is a reflection of the current politicalization and public arguments about the vaccine. But once a SAFE and TRUSTED vaccine is on the market, I think you'll see that change.
Chi84
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Well you can’t keep running it like this. Right now restaurants in my area have to operate at such limited capacity that allowing vaccinated people to enter without restrictions would be an improvement. Same with Disney. People may change their attitude toward a vaccine if they are excluded from businesses, entertainment venues and employment opportunities as a result of refusing it. Might not be so many against it then.
Dan Deesnee
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It being "safe" will take years to truly establish in the publics mind. That is why the vaccine development process takes 10-15 years.
Politicians and Dr's won't change peoples opinions who are already against taking the vaccine (again, roughly 50% give or take). Reason being is they have made too much of a show about how "rushed" the development is.
Bleach?
pocketlint
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the idea of a vaccine is just promising at this stage...
the distribution of a safe vaccine will be not be an easy factor.
things being what they are
the distribution of a safe vaccine will be not be an easy factor.
things being what they are
oceanbreeze77
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well we have never been in a global pandemic in the modern age so I guess we will find out.
lazyboy97o
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You are not stating facts.
oceanbreeze77
Well-Known Member
I think they will have to set up some centers once there are enough doses. Like they do testing now maybe.
Dan Deesnee
Well-Known Member
Like it or not, they are facts. Straight from International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations (one of many sources if you were to bother looking this up).
Step 3 of the 5 step process:
CLINICAL DEVELOPMENT
PHASE I 2 years - 10 candidates
PHASE II 2–3 years - 5 candidates
PHASE III 5–10 years - 1 candidate
These lengthy timelines are, in part, for understanding the long term effects of the vaccine before distributing it to millions of people. How do we do that with the Covid vaccines when they have only been in development for 1 year? You can't.
Chi84
Premium Member
You seem very invested in this, but there are vaccines being developed world-wide. I don’t think the hordes of experts and companies are just wasting their time and money. A whole lot of very knowledgeable people disagree with your position and believe a safe and effective vaccine can be developed to fight COVID. Maybe we should wait to see what they come up with before deciding they will fail.
Dan Deesnee
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You mistake what I'm posting as taking a position. I'm simply stating that their is a generally accepted procedure in place that takes 10+ years to ensure safety. All I have said is that the long term safety level, if released after just 1 year, will be impossible to determine. Therefore, it is reasonable to opt out of taking the vaccine due to these concerns, and many people likely will.
lazyboy97o
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Again, you are conflating an outcome with a requirement. Just because a process usually takes a certain amount of time does not mean it is required.
You’re source is an infographic explaining the typical process, not any scientific and/or regulatory requirements.
In fact, the IFPMA supports the current development of the COVID vaccines.
Innovative vaccine industry strongly committed to rigorous regulatory standards for approval of COVID-19 vaccines | IFPMA
Geneva, 28 August 2020 – In the face of an unprecedented public health and economic crisis, the world’s leading innovative vaccine companies are working in partnership with international organizations, governments, academia and many others across the world in answering the call to develop novel...
www.ifpma.org
COVID-19 Vaccine Maker Pledge | IFPMA
www.ifpma.org
Did they forget about their ten year requirement?
Dan Deesnee
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Of course they support the Covid vaccine development, what company is going to go against that? People are afraid and want a solution and any organization that tries to delay that solution by 10 years would likely lose all funding due to the bad optics. It isn't just them that states the typical process is 10+ years. It's widely accepted.
If you want to get a vaccine that we have no long term data on it's health effects, you have every right to do so.
If you want to get a vaccine that we have no long term data on it's health effects, you have every right to do so.
pocketlint
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education being disrupted
no doctors,no smart peeps
can do without lawyers
we gotz gunz
no doctors,no smart peeps
can do without lawyers
we gotz gunz
pocketlint
Member
imagine this life in 5 years..who has graduated medical school fully?
Kevin_W
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As a healthcare professional, do you then use you position to help educate the patients of the efficacy of the vaccine?
GimpYancIent
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Now more convoluted! Good Job.Again, you are conflating an outcome with a requirement. Just because a process usually takes a certain amount of time does not mean it is required.
You’re source is an infographic explaining the typical process, not any scientific and/or regulatory requirements.
In fact, the IFPMA supports the current development of the COVID vaccines.
Innovative vaccine industry strongly committed to rigorous regulatory standards for approval of COVID-19 vaccines | IFPMA
Geneva, 28 August 2020 – In the face of an unprecedented public health and economic crisis, the world’s leading innovative vaccine companies are working in partnership with international organizations, governments, academia and many others across the world in answering the call to develop novel...COVID-19 Vaccine Maker Pledge | IFPMA
Did they forget about their ten year requirement?
Heppenheimer
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The "10-15 year" process you keep referring to has more to do with economics and available case numbers than testing protocols. Much of the delay in traditional vaccine development was due to securing additional funding between trial stages and setting up the infrastructure and processes to manufacture the vaccine once it was approved. Governments throughout the world have provided guaranteed funding so now the pharamceutical companies can work on multiple aspects of the vaccine at once, rather than the step-wise approach that needed new funding with each bit of progress.The 10-15 year process is in place for a reason. If their were hardly any issues found with vaccines after the first year or two in development then obviously at some point in the past 50 years the process length would have been shortened.
I don't want to go back and forth in depth on a subject neither of us understands enough about. I'll just state the facts. The Covid vaccines are being rushed through. The standard process is 10-15 x longer than the amount of time the Covid vaccine is being given.
If someone can't see the safety (potentially massive) issues there then I'm not sure what to tell them.
I like you GoofGoof so I don't want to go back and forth all night on this. Don't take any of my replies as attacking you
The other reason why this process can be accelerated is that with a disease with as high an incidence as COVID-19 (in the millions currently), the "n" number for the studies gives them much more power and quicker turn-over than for a disease with lower incidence, like for example, measles, who's annual incidence before vaccination was only in the 10s of thousands.
As for safety, no vaccine has ever failed a trial or needed to be withdrawn because of delayed side effects. Most of the side effects of vaccines appear within days of receiving the dose. The most severe (and fortunately, extremely rare) complication, Guillan-Barre syndrome, arises within days to weeks after the causitive event, not months to years later.
I would think the reasons for the accelerated development during a pandemic would be obvious, given how this virus has disrupted the lives of virtually everyone on the planet. Vaccine development was traditionally slower not due to policy, but due to a lack of urgency.
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