Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[SamusAranX]

Highlighting an important note -

"There is evidence that under certain conditions, people with COVID-19 seem to have infected others who were more than 6 feet away. These transmissions occurred within enclosed spaces that had inadequate ventilation. Sometimes the infected person was breathing heavily, for example while singing or exercising.

• Under these circumstances, scientists believe that the amount of infectious smaller droplet and particles produced by the people with COVID-19 became concentrated enough to spread the virus to other people. The people who were infected were in the same space during the same time or shortly after the person with COVID-19 had left."

So basically my pet peeves of avoiding the gym still and most indoor dining has been rather wise in hindsight

 

[DisneyCane]

So basically my pet peeves of avoiding the gym still and most indoor dining has been rather wise in hindsight

Depending on how well the spaces are ventilated. A small gym with no A/C and radiant heating would be very different from a large volume gym with forced air HVAC.

BTW, I think that is more of a "precaution" than a "pet peeve."

 

[MisterPenguin]

 

[wdisney9000]

Highlighting an important note -

"There is evidence that under certain conditions, people with COVID-19 seem to have infected others who were more than 6 feet away. These transmissions occurred within enclosed spaces that had inadequate ventilation. Sometimes the infected person was breathing heavily, for example while singing or exercising.

• Under these circumstances, scientists believe that the amount of infectious smaller droplet and particles produced by the people with COVID-19 became concentrated enough to spread the virus to other people. The people who were infected were in the same space during the same time or shortly after the person with COVID-19 had left."

8 months in and the CDC still can't get their story...oops, I mean "data" straight. What a joke. I wonder how many millions of dollars it took for them to figure out that people who are singing or exercising might be breathing heavier.

And look at how they word it. "Under certain conditions" people "seem to have" infected others....."sometimes" the affected person was breathing heavily.

Ya, stellar research there guys. I have more faith in a can of orange juice than the CDC

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Can't help but note that average is a bit screwed up by the weirdness which took place between 9/27 and 9/28.

It's not really weird at all. 9/27 was a Sunday and 9/28 was a Monday. Weekend totals tend to be lower.

 

[wdisney9000]

I would report them to OSHA and your State Dept. of Health - especially if the state requires masks and the company isn't enforcing it in the workplace. They might be getting away with this because nobody has bothered to report them.

Even though she just expressed concerned over the lost wages, Your advice is for her to report her husbands companies to OSHA which would most likely result in the company getting fined or possibly shut down, either of which would affect her husband's income and potentially cause an even greater loss of money for their family.

Smooth move, Ex-Lax

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Even though she just expressed concerned over the lost wages, Your advice is for her to report her husbands companies to OSHA which would most likely result in the company getting fined or possibly shut down, either of which would affect her husband's income and potentially cause an even greater loss of money for their family.

Smooth move, Ex-Lax

Yeah... the people reporting issues to osha are the bad guys.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Even though she just expressed concerned over the lost wages, Your advice is for her to report her husbands companies to OSHA which would most likely result in the company getting fined or possibly shut down, either of which would affect her husband's income and potentially cause an even greater loss of money for their family.

Smooth move, Ex-Lax

What do you suppose would happen to the company if there was a COVID-19 outbreak in the office? More importantly, what would happen to her family's health and income if her husband was one of the infected workers in such an outbreak? The lost wages and medical bills she mentioned would pale in comparison.

If you think that people shouldn't report health and safety violations, then what do you suggest as an alternative?

 

[JoeCamel]

8 months in and the CDC still can't get their story...oops, I mean "data" straight. What a joke. I wonder how many millions of dollars it took for them to figure out that people who are singing or exercising might be breathing heavier.

And look at how they word it. "Under certain conditions" people "seem to have" infected others....."sometimes" the affected person was breathing heavily.

Ya, stellar research there guys. I have more faith in a can of orange juice than the CDC

Maybe there are other considerations at work in the wording. If the CDC came out and said "in this case John infected Susie and others through airborne transmission while singing" then a first year law student could run it into a pretty good case. They cannot say it.

 

[GoofGoof]

If you think that people shouldn't report health and safety violations, then what do you suggest as an alternative?

Ignore the virus but inject a steady course of IV bleach into you system just in case it’s not a hoax...then take to social media and brag about how brave you are for not being afraid of a virus

 

[JoeCamel]

Ignore the virus but inject a steady course of IV bleach into you system just in case it’s not a hoax...then take to social media and brag about how brave you are for not being afraid of a virus

Goof - have you been in the premium puppy chow again?

 

[GimpYancIent]

Wow! So now it is officially announced that COVI19 can be transmitted via the air. Jeeez will wonders never cease!

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Ignore the virus but inject a steady course of IV bleach into you system just in case it’s not a hoax...then take to social media and brag about how brave you are for not being afraid of a virus

That works ok but if you can put the UV light somehow inside you it works much better with the bleach, a good combination.

 

[Lilofan]

There is a Facebook page called Ears for Each Other. It's a page where a number of the laid off or furloughed WDW cast members share their stories and try to market their side hustle talents to earn income to survive ( cooking, baking, handicrafts, handyman etc ) . The page also invites people willing to offer words of support or take them up on their side hustle projects.

 

[ABQ]

It's not really weird at all. 9/27 was a Sunday and 9/28 was a Monday. Weekend totals tend to be lower.

I realize that, but this instance was far more extreme than others over the past month and as you're looking week over week with Monday being day one, it very much impacts the average. Though it's incremental, the positivity rate over that same two week period is down. That also tells a tail.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Wow! So now it is officially announced that COVI19 can be transmitted via the air. Jeeez will wonders never cease!

Not exactly. But it is a best guess, tho, based on evidence. Pretty unethical to test this by purposefully putting people in a situation where they are exposed to airborne virus but not droplets.

And this is how science works, and sometimes doesn't work because of lack of data.

Putting all the anecdotal evidence and laboratory observations together it could well be that COVID can be airborne... but then maybe not survive for long. So, sometimes it appears it's definitely airborne, but then, not so much. It needs more testing... but we can't test it on humans ethically.

It is definitely in droplets. It can be passed by touch, but not as much as other viruses. Also, viral load until infection is unknown, making any of the vectors possibly worse or not as dangerous. Susceptibility may be affected by T-cells that 'remember' a previous coronavirus cold strain.. or not.

We still haven't gotten to the one year anniversary of the discovery of the virus. So much we don't know simply because we couldn't possibly know. All we have is the limited data we have and experience with other similar viruses. And COVID is turning out to be very unlike other viruses.

CDC almost always states things in terms of likelihood unless rigorous experimentation has given clear results. When people (whether the media or the general public) read CDC statements and then remove the "likelihood" language into definitive yes/no statements... then you get problems.

You also get problems when public policy is made based on "likelihood language" and people don't like the policy and so they attack the "likelihood language" as lies or incompetency.

The real incompetency is not reading the language carefully.

 

[Sam Magic]

I have a feeling that page 2020 of this thread will be the wildest one yet!

 

[GimpYancIent]

Not exactly. But it is a best guess, tho, based on evidence. Pretty unethical to test this by purposefully putting people in a situation where they are exposed to airborne virus but not droplets.

And this is how science works, and sometimes doesn't work because of lack of data.

Putting all the anecdotal evidence and laboratory observations together it could well be that COVID can be airborne... but then maybe not survive for long. So, sometimes it appears it's definitely airborne, but then, not so much. It needs more testing... but we can't test it on humans ethically.

It is definitely in droplets. It can be passed by touch, but not as much as other viruses. Also, viral load until infection is unknown, making any of the vectors possibly worse or not as dangerous. Susceptibility may be affected by T-cells that 'remember' a previous coronavirus cold strain.. or not.

We still haven't gotten to the one year anniversary of the discovery of the virus. So much we don't know simply because we couldn't possibly know. All we have is the limited data we have and experience with other similar viruses. And COVID is turning out to be very unlike other viruses.

CDC almost always states things in terms of likelihood unless rigorous experimentation has given clear results. When people (whether the media or the general public) read CDC statements and then remove the "likelihood" language into definitive yes/no statements... then you get problems.

You also get problems when public policy is made based on "likelihood language" and people don't like the policy and so they attack the "likelihood language" as lies or incompetency.

The real incompetency is not reading the language carefully.

Thank you. Now, everybody continue to wear your masks as previously advised (at nauseum) and move along. Have a magical day.

 

[Parker in NYC]

Thank you. Now, everybody continue to wear your masks as previously advised (at nauseum) and move along. Have a magical day.

Ad nauseam.

 

[JohnD]

I have a feeling that page 2020 of this thread will be the wildest one yet!

Any maybe some light on page 2021 of the thread?