Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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MisterPenguin

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Sirwalterraleigh

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Heppenheimer said:
Contact tracing has been incredibly effective in our state and it has largely kept isolated events isolated.

But it only works well if you have minimal community spread. Many states, unfortunately, crossed that bridge long ago.
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Agree...our numbers have spiked a bit...and our governor who I wasn’t a fan of but has absolutely worked his off (and had cancer surgery a week before the pandemic blew up)...has been open about identifying specific communities/areas where the spikes are happening and is responding with everything they’ve got immediately. No hesitation. Work the problem.

It can work if you’re not a knucklehead 😉

disneycp said:
Okay, sure, but Vermont is the second smallest US state (population-wise).

In 2019 Vermont had a population of 624k and California had 39.5 million.
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Some of the upper plain states with mostly buffalo have had zero effectiveness controling their summer stats.

Do I need to quote yoda here?

disneycp said:
How does size of the state not matter....? It’s obviously much easier to contain outbreaks with fewer people. Also, no offense to Vermont, but it’s not exactly the tourism capital of the country. Every comment you make acts like everything is black and white and every situation is the same. Yikes.
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...then Disney parks will close. I’m not exaggerating. If the idea is “big tourist states can’t control it...so why bother?” - then there will never be enough business to make it financially advantageous for Disney to keep it open.

People need to understand that Disney is NOT making profits..they are going along with it in a holding pattern for their fiduciary responsibility as a public traded company and for public relations/perception.

They need California to be safe...and they NEED Florida to be safe and get the hell in line.

There are no “options”. Herd immunity has been rejected by the people...so it’s rejected by the banks.
 
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GimpYancIent

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
Agree...our numbers have spiked a bit...and our governor who I wasn’t a fan of but has absolutely worked his **** off (and had cancer surgery a week before the pandemic blew up)...has been open about identifying specific communities/areas where the spikes are happening and is responding with everything they’ve got immediately. No hesitation. Work the problem.

It can work if you’re not a knucklehead 😉



Some of the upper plane states with mostly buffalo have had zero effectiveness controling their summer stats.

Do I need to quote yoda here?



...then Disney parks will close. I’m not exaggerating. If the idea is “big tourist states can’t control it...so why bother?” - then there will never be enough business to make it financially advantageous for Disney to keep it open.

People need to understand that Disney is NOT making profits..they are going along with it in a holding pattern for their fiduciary responsibility as a public traded company and for public relations/perception.

They need California to be safe...and they NEED Florida to be safe and get the hell in line.

There are no “options”. Herd immunity has been rejected by the people...so it’s rejected by the banks.
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It seems Florida is good and progressing, proactive, forward leaning, dealing with it reasonably not allowing itself to become paralyzed, unlike California. I do not understand why the term "herd immunity" was ever introduced by the medical community. WDW specifically has not only shown but proven how to evolve protocols and procedures to operate safely. Of course guests (being guests) will occasionally go out of bounds and the CM's (as the good ref's they are) keep nudging the guest's back in bounds. Anyway, COVID19 is here the medical community is developing better ways to deal with it daily, the business community has evolved protocols and procedures to deal with it, people have and are adapting to living and not just existing. It seems that California NEEDS to get the hell in line and get out of its delirium.
 
GoofGoof

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GimpYancIent said:
It seems Florida is good and progressing, proactive, forward leaning, dealing with it reasonably not allowing itself to become paralyzed, unlike California. I do not understand why the term "herd immunity" was ever introduced by the medical community. WDW specifically has not only shown but proven how to evolve protocols and procedures to operate safely. Of course guests (being guests) will occasionally go out of bounds and the CM's (as the good ref's they are) keep nudging the guest's back in bounds. Anyway, COVID19 is here the medical community is developing better ways to deal with it daily, the business community has evolved protocols and procedures to deal with it, people have and are adapting to living and not just existing. It seems that California NEEDS to get the hell in line and get out of its delirium.
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DLR should be allowed to open under the same precautions as WDW. It’s not ideal, and it’s not profitable for TWDC but that’s the temporary new norm we live under. WDW is open and operating successfully because they have capacity limits and mask requirements and physical distancing in queues and on transportation and in restaurants and no large group gatherings for parades, fireworks, shows, character meet and greets, etc... Those protocols allow WDW to be open safely but they also prevent WDW from returning to normal and/or being profitable for the company. In an ideal world everyone would embrace the recommendations and the virus would be a lot more under control, but we don’t live in an ideal world so this is the best we’ve got.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

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GimpYancIent said:
It seems Florida is good and progressing, proactive, forward leaning, dealing with it reasonably not allowing itself to become paralyzed, unlike California.
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I’ll excuse you for ever using Florida and the other words in the same sentence for the good of US/UK relations...(disclaimer...I thought you were British? You may not be...anyway...)

Florida is GAMBLING...they are in a political scenario - which they of course created as always - that has crushed them in economics now and notably moving forward.

That does not mean California is doing things correctly...but make no mistake, Florida is river boat gamblin’.

And yet...I hope they roll 7s. Because it’s bad for all of us if they’re wrong.

I could use more forceful language...but I won’t...so you get my twisted metaphors 🤪
 
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DisneyCane

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GoofGoof said:
DLR should be allowed to open under the same precautions as WDW. It’s not ideal, and it’s not profitable for TWDC but that’s the temporary new norm we live under. WDW is open and operating successfully because they have capacity limits and mask requirements and physical distancing in queues and on transportation and in restaurants and no large group gatherings for parades, fireworks, shows, character meet and greets, etc... Those protocols allow WDW to be open safely but they also prevent WDW from returning to normal and/or being profitable for the company. In an ideal world everyone would embrace the recommendations and the virus would be a lot more under control, but we don’t live in an ideal world so this is the best we’ve got.
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Although they aren't profitable under current conditions, I assume they are losing less than they would be if they were closed. If it was better to be closed from a financial standpoint, I think they would close. Unfortunately, the layoffs are a sign that they can not survive with nearly the same payroll expenses as they had previously.

I think the current protocols at WDW have created as safe of an environment as any business that is operating. No 100% safe protocols would allow anything resembling a normal operation.
 
GoofGoof

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DisneyCane said:
Although they aren't profitable under current conditions, I assume they are losing less than they would be if they were closed. If it was better to be closed from a financial standpoint, I think they would close. Unfortunately, the layoffs are a sign that they can not survive with nearly the same payroll expenses as they had previously.

I think the current protocols at WDW have created as safe of an environment as any business that is operating. No 100% safe protocols would allow anything resembling a normal operation.
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There are fixed costs and variable costs. WDW is making enough money to more than cover their variable costs, but not enough to be profitable when you factor in fixed costs. Since the fixed costs are mostly sunk costs and would exist whether they are open or closed it makes sense to be open even if they aren’t turning a profit. Plus a large portion of the fixed costs are non-cash costs like depreciation so it’s possible that WDW is actually generating positive cash flows despite showing an accounting loss. Right now (and in any financial crisis) cash is king. Said another way WDW as a stand-alone entity doesn’t have net income right now they have a net loss, but if they kept the parks closed that net loss would be even larger and the cash flows would be much more negative. DLR right now is losing more money being closed than they would lose if they were open.

The layoffs are unfortunate and a sign that TWDC doesn’t see a large uptick in business any time soon. It’s going to be a while to get back to anything close to normal from a business prospective. Even after all of the Covid restrictions are lifted it’s going to take time for demand to ramp up so I do think most if not all of those jobs come back eventually it may not be until 2022 or later depending on how things work out with a vaccine and the economy in general.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

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DisneyCane said:
Although they aren't profitable under current conditions, I assume they are losing less than they would be if they were closed. If it was better to be closed from a financial standpoint, I think they would close. Unfortunately, the layoffs are a sign that they can not survive with nearly the same payroll expenses as they had previously.

I think the current protocols at WDW have created as safe of an environment as any business that is operating. No 100% safe protocols would allow anything resembling a normal operation.
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Wow...that’s totally reasonable...

Are you ok? No hoax theory? 🤪
 
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