EPCOT New Park Entrance coming to Epcot

[RSoxNo1]

So, is Avengers Campus also in California Adventure? Does the Disney company exist in the MCU? Does the MCU exist in the MCU?

As it stands, all Marvel attractions take place in the parks that they're in. They are self referential to their surroundings.

 

[Haymarket2008]

If Frozen was in the Magic Kingdom, I think more people would consider it a mediocre to bad ride.

It's not on the level of Little Mermaid just because of the AAs, but if they'd built FEA from scratch and it was exactly the same, I can't imagine it getting the pass it seems to get now because people know it was shoehorned into an existing space.

There is no reason why they couldn't have fit those show scenes into the Snow White's Scary Adventures space. Easily could have been a bus-bar attraction instead of the boat ride. Basically the same ride minus the flume. Missed opportunity.

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

If Frozen was in the Magic Kingdom, I think more people would consider it a mediocre to bad ride.

It's not on the level of Little Mermaid just because of the AAs, but if they'd built FEA from scratch and it was exactly the same, I can't imagine it getting the pass it seems to get now because people know it was shoehorned into an existing space.

Does anyone know what Guest Satisfaction Ratings are like at Frozen Ever After?

It's anecdotal, but I feel like I know far too many people who have said they either regret waiting as long as they did or they lucked into a short wait and would have been mad if they'd waited longer. If people consider the "new" ride for one of your biggest animated franchises a "waste of a Fastpass" it would seem like something's wrong.

Though clearly there are people who are into it, which is why I wonder about its ratings.

 

[Marc Davis Fan]

It's not their fault the guests only associate Disney with cartoon characters.

I think it - partially - is their fault. They could do more marketing/messaging about the spectacular immersive experiences, how you leave the real world and go on fantastic adventures, etc. Indeed, that's similar to how Disneyland introduced itself to the public via the original TV show, etc.

 

[No Name]

I totally understand people not wanting IPs in Epcot.

I totally do not understand your claim that these IPs were just "slapped on" like at a Six Flags. There's no 2D cut-out of the characters at the entrance and the rest of the ride painted matching colors. That's what Six Flags does.

Frozen got really good AAs and a heavily themed (accurate to Norway, too) queue. GotG is getting a lengthy indoor coaster with pretty innovative design and a huge, highly themed queue. If they were in MK, people would be hailing them as excellent additions to WDW.

Slapped on? That's pretty much nonsense talk.

Moana was kind of slapped onto the Journey of Water idea but that’s really the only example. Oh and Sam Eagle feels kind of slapped onto Regal Eagle. I can see their point especially in relation to Six Flags Over Texas history of abandoning theme, but it definitely doesn’t apply to Guardians.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Moana was kind of slapped onto the Journey of Water idea but that’s really the only example. Oh and Sam Eagle feels kind of slapped onto Regal Eagle. I can see their point especially in relation to Six Flags Over Texas history of abandoning theme, but it definitely doesn’t apply to Guardians.

Sam is indeed a bit slappy. They did do a little extra bringing in Muppet decor into the BBQ house, tho.

I consider that Journey of Water featuring Moana as being more of an exercise of restraint. It's not hyped as "Moana's Journey of Water."

 

[UNCgolf]

Does anyone know what Guest Satisfaction Ratings are like at Frozen Ever After?

It's anecdotal, but I feel like I know far too many people who have said they either regret waiting as long as they did or they lucked into a short wait and would have been mad if they'd waited longer. If people consider the "new" ride for one of your biggest animated franchises a "waste of a Fastpass" it would seem like something's wrong.

Though clearly there are people who are into it, which is why I wonder about its ratings.

I think there are plenty of people who love it, but I also think that's entirely a factor of seeing Frozen characters and hearing Frozen songs, which is just an example of how IP can prop up a mediocre ride. Who knows how it will look 10 years from now when the Frozen craze has potentially been replaced with something else.

 

[skimbob]

Does anyone know what Guest Satisfaction Ratings are like at Frozen Ever After?

It's anecdotal, but I feel like I know far too many people who have said they either regret waiting as long as they did or they lucked into a short wait and would have been mad if they'd waited longer. If people consider the "new" ride for one of your biggest animated franchises a "waste of a Fastpass" it would seem like something's wrong.

Though clearly there are people who are into it, which is why I wonder about its ratings.

Maelstrom it is not.

 

[peter11435]

Maelstrom it is not.

Well it’s guest satisfaction ratings are substantially higher than Maelstrom

 

[DVCakaCarlF]

Can anyone confirm the monorail is running between the TTC and Epcot? I just asked a CM on chat, and they confirmed it was.

 

[UNCgolf]

Well it’s guest satisfaction ratings are substantially higher than Maelstrom

I don't think anyone should be surprised by that. It's a Frozen ride and a lot of people love Frozen.

And it's not like Maelstrom was some sort of masterpiece. It was a more interesting ride than Frozen Ever After, but it was still one of the weakest rides at EPCOT. IP will almost always enhance a mediocre ride (which FEA is) because of the emotional connection to the IP.

 

[Admiral01]

Well it’s guest satisfaction ratings are substantially higher than Maelstrom

Apples to apples? What were the Maelstrom guest satisfaction ratings in 1992, when the ride was 4 years old? Only then is it a true comparison to FEA as it passes the 4 year old mark.

Do we think a 26 year old FEA will have satisfaction ratings as high as Maelstrom did at 26 years old? Honest question. How popular will Frozen be in 2042?

 

[UNCgolf]

Do we think a 26 year old FEA will have satisfaction ratings as high as Maelstrom did at 26 years old? Honest question. How popular will Frozen be in 2042?

I'm curious about this as well. The ride isn't good enough to stand on its own; it requires knowledge of/interest in Frozen to work at all.

That's not true of the best Disney IP rides (Splash Mountain, Flight of Passage, and Rise of the Resistance being some of the biggest examples) because they're impressive, fun rides regardless of the IP.

 

[Admiral01]

I'm curious about this as well. The ride isn't good enough to stand on its own; it requires knowledge of/interest in Frozen to work at all.

That's not true of the best Disney IP rides (Splash Mountain, Flight of Passage, and Rise of the Resistance being some of the biggest examples) because they're impressive, fun rides regardless of the IP.

Absolutely. FEA is quite boring. Half the ride is screens showing reflections of snowflakes... First time I rode I was like “this ride is missing half the stuff it needed.”

The other IP rides you mentioned stand on their own. FEA is a shell of what it could have been, should have been, and really an uninteresting and inferior successor to Maelstrom.

 

[No Name]

Apples to apples? What were the Maelstrom guest satisfaction ratings in 1992, when the ride was 4 years old? Only then is it a true comparison to FEA as it passes the 4 year old mark.

Do we think a 26 year old FEA will have satisfaction ratings as high as Maelstrom did at 26 years old? Honest question. How popular will Frozen be in 2042?

The real question you should ask is whether a 52 year old Maelstrom would have ratings as high as a 26 year old Frozen Ever After. Because Maelstrom wasn’t going to stop aging in 2014! FEA is certainly more popular than Maelstrom would’ve been now and into the foreseeable future, and that’s where the real comparison lies, or at least the comparison the business folks care about.

 

[jmuboy]

What an exhilarating thread! First we discussed changes coming to the Epcot® main entrance, then we discussed Pandora- The World of Avatar®, and now some weird people are saying Mail Storm or whatever it was called was better than the timeless, relevant, family, Disney® Frozen Ever After®.

SOOOOOooooooo - updates to EPCOT main entrance area????

 

[SoFloMagic]

SOOOOOooooooo - updates to EPCOT main entrance area????

Trees instead of rocks. Looks nice.

 

[pdude81]

I'm curious about this as well. The ride isn't good enough to stand on its own; it requires knowledge of/interest in Frozen to work at all.

That's not true of the best Disney IP rides (Splash Mountain, Flight of Passage, and Rise of the Resistance being some of the biggest examples) because they're impressive, fun rides regardless of the IP.

You're comparing a WS ride conversion to the best WDW has to offer. Would you also compare a rebuilt Honda Civic to a new Bugatti?

 

[UNCgolf]

You're comparing a WS ride conversion to the best WDW has to offer. Would you also compare a rebuilt Honda Civic to a new Bugatti?

That's exactly the point? It was a continuation of earlier comments in this thread.

Frozen Ever After isn't a very good ride, at least partially because it was shoehorned into an existing space. It's not good enough to stand on its own.

 

[mikejs78]

That's exactly the point? It was a continuation of earlier comments in this thread.

Frozen Ever After isn't a very good ride, at least partially because it was shoehorned into an existing space. It's not good enough to stand on its own.

I don't agree. I think it fits into the classic Disney dark ride template (Alice, Snow White, Peter Pan) very well, and is a step above those due to the animatronics and the scale/scope. It's certainly not an E, but it's a very good C+/D. I think the opposite - if it were in Fantasyland, it would have far fewer complaints.