Splash Mountain re-theme announced

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Brer Oswald

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That's pretty much exactly how I feel. I'm trying to remember all the happiness that WDW has brought me over the years, but it all feels tinged with betrayal now. I completely agree with you about this being the deepest cut. I've been unhappy about lots of things they've done in the parks, but I got over it. But this feels different. I guess for me it's a combination of two things: I have a very deep emotional attachment to SM and some of my favorite memories revolve around it. Second, it's a magnificent ride (I have called it a work of art in other posts) and I know lots of people who have referred to it as "the perfect ride". I just can't believe that they would trash something so loved and so amazing - to make money by selling "instagrammable" food items at a Tiana restaurant, or to address criticisms of SOTS.
It is a work of art. The greatest ride they’ve ever made, and the best ride they will ever make. I’m just glad I had a chance to experience it on both coasts. It will touch me forever in ways that these new movie rides won’t touch me or anyone else for that matter.
 

Donaldfan1934

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That's pretty much exactly how I feel. I'm trying to remember all the happiness that WDW has brought me over the years, but it all feels tinged with betrayal now. I completely agree with you about this being the deepest cut. I've been unhappy about lots of things they've done in the parks, but I got over it. But this feels different. I guess for me it's a combination of two things: I have a very deep emotional attachment to SM and some of my favorite memories revolve around it. Second, it's a magnificent ride (I have called it a work of art in other posts) and I know lots of people who have referred to it as "the perfect ride". I just can't believe that they would trash something so loved and so amazing - to make money by selling "instagrammable" food items at a Tiana restaurant, or to address criticisms of SOTS.
I agree with every word of this. The motivating factors behind this decision in particular speak volumes about how far gone the company’s mindset is and will always have me thinking “What’s next?”.
 

MickeyLuv'r

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Well, after a week and a half, I decided to sign back in to let everyone know I’m okay.

I don’t want to get too into it, as it isn’t really on topic, but I should probably explain myself a bit.

I suffer from depression and heavy insecurities about myself. I have difficulties socializing due to comments on my height and physique growing up. Because of that, all I really have are my family, the Disney Parks, and Nintendo (great things to have, but there’s a lot outside I need to interact with).

I’ve had bad thoughts for around 10 years. Most prominent were in 2011, 2016, 2017, 2019, and 2020. I just wanted to make it clear that my feeling of hopelessness is not because of a ride. It confuses me why the same people who offered me support during my breakdowns in Nov 2019 and Mar 2020 were trivializing my mental state to the result of a ride retheme? They don’t owe it to me to remember, and I realize I wasn’t acting rationally, but the other words I was called or compared to weren’t exactly called for.

Splash Mountain meant a lot to me. It single handledly reinvigorated my love for the company back in 2012. It was a symbol of hope for me. The music inspired me. As stupid as it sounds, as a person with no close personal friends, Brer Rabbit and the gang kind of helped fill the void. Ridiculous, I know :hilarious: .

I know I have a lot to work on as a person. I need to deal with my insecurities. They are making it hard to do anything and they are the main things I fall back on as reasoning for my bad thoughts.

But, I will continue to love the Disney I grew up with, and I will continue to whistle “How Do You Do” to get me through my dark times. Any idiot who wants to label me or anyone else who loves something so good natured in heart can take a hike and go find their Laughing Place.

Brer Oswald is back in his home now, and he’s sure gonna stay. (My home being here, where the name was born. Not going back to Twitter.)
I go back to the question I posed earlier, (I think in another thread): is Splash Mountain art?

If art is defined in terms of being something that triggers an emotional reaction (I'm simplifying greatly for the sake of brevity), then we might wish to call Splash a work of art, or it might be helpful for some of us to define Splash as a work of art.

If Splash is merely a flume ride, then it isn't worth saving. If splash is art, then maybe it should be saved.

What is art? In 1917, Marcel Duchamp put a name on a urinal, "The Fountain," and called it art. For years, we've also heard Warhol's 1962 depiction of Campbells' Soup cans and his depiction of Brillo Pad boxes called fine art.

Mary Blair (it's a small world) considered herself to be an artist, and her creations to be art.
 

Brer Oswald

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I go back to the question I posed earlier, (I think in another thread): is Splash Mountain art?

If art is defined in terms of being something that triggers an emotional reaction (I'm simplifying greatly for the sake of brevity), then we might wish to call Splash a work of art, or it might be helpful for some of us to define Splash as a work of art.

If Splash is merely a flume ride, then it isn't worth saving. If splash is art, then maybe it should be saved.

What is art? In 1917, Marcel Duchamp put a name on a urinal, "The Fountain," and called it art. For years, we've also heard Warhol's 1962 depiction of Campbells' Soup cans and his depiction of Brillo Pad boxes called fine art.

Mary Blair (it's a small world) considered herself to be an artist, and her creations to be art.
It most certainly is art. But it's art that just isn't appreciated by the public. I know there will be a day when it is appreciated, and people will wish it didn't go away, but it will unfortunately be too late.
 

manmythlegend

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Is anyone else who is very saddened by the Splash Mountain decision having trouble enjoying other Disney things? I have loads of (too many) Disney clothes and lots of stuff in the house was bought on disney trips. Every time I go to grab my Splash Mountain mug in the morning I have a moment of happiness, then a dark cloud comes over me as I think about how Disney is destroying my number one love in all of the parks. I haven't been able to wear a Disney shirt since this was announced. I am having a serious falling out with Disney and honestly, I'm not sure it's going to end anytime soon.

Going on 5 or 6 years, WDW has been making lots of decisions against my wishes. And I've not returned since. DL, OTOH, has been a real pleasure and I'm quite sad that Splash will be changing. Is it enough to get me to stop going to DL? Probably not. There's a lot I like about that park. If they were to ever get rid of MaxPass and implement a FP+ type system, that would certainly be the breaking point for me as I am adamantly against that system. And at that point, I would cross Disney off my list except for Disney Tokyo which I will still visit when opportunities come up.
 
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Donaldfan1934

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It most certainly is art. But it's art that just isn't appreciated by the public. I know there will be a day when it is appreciated, and people will wish it didn't go away, but it will unfortunately be too late.
That’s the problem with theme parks in general. While many such as those of us here on these boards can see they objectively qualify as art, the decision makers at Disney certainly don’t and will depend on the indifference of those who are less initiated to get away with literally anything.
 
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Brer Oswald

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That’s the problem with theme parks in general. While many such as those of us here on these boards can see they objectively qualify art, the decision makers at Disney certainly don’t and will depend on the indifference of those who are less initiated to get away with literally anything.
The whole issue that the mindset the Iger era ushered in is that the parks are only viewed as a way to advertise their films and boost revenue. They aren’t viewed as the standalone product they were conceived as.

The people that support these “modern” decisions don’t realize that they’re being exploited for money and publicity, or they do and they just don’t care. I used to be super excited for “modern” additions to the park. A few years ago, I started putting two and two together. Can’t fool me no more.
 

LittleBuford

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I go back to the question I posed earlier, (I think in another thread): is Splash Mountain art?

If art is defined in terms of being something that triggers an emotional reaction (I'm simplifying greatly for the sake of brevity), then we might wish to call Splash a work of art, or it might be helpful for some of us to define Splash as a work of art.

If Splash is merely a flume ride, then it isn't worth saving. If splash is art, then maybe it should be saved.

What is art? In 1917, Marcel Duchamp put a name on a urinal, "The Fountain," and called it art. For years, we've also heard Warhol's 1962 depiction of Campbells' Soup cans and his depiction of Brillo Pad boxes called fine art.

Mary Blair (it's a small world) considered herself to be an artist, and her creations to be art.

Even if one accepts it as art (and I do), that’s not necessarily an argument against changing it. Historically, works of art were often altered or even replaced altogether. Michelangelo’s painting of the Last Judgement in the Sistine Chapel, for example, entailed the destruction of a whole wall of frescoes from the previous century.
 

Brer Oswald

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Even if one accepts it as art (and I do), that’s not necessarily an argument against changing it. Historically, works of art were often altered or even replaced altogether. Michelangelo’s painting of the Last Judgement in the Sistine Chapel, for example, entailed the destruction of a whole wall of frescoes from the previous century.
Very true. I do hope there is an effort to preserve elements of the attraction, ie. releasing the audio, archiving animatronics, etc.

But with how they went about the announcement, assassinating the character of the fans who loved the ride to cover their own back, I doubt they will. I hope I’m wrong, and they make some things right.
 

LittleBuford

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Very true. I do hope there is an effort to preserve elements of the attraction, ie. releasing the audio, archiving animatronics, etc.

But with how they went about the announcement, assassinating the character of the fans who loved the ride to cover their own back, I doubt they will. I hope I’m wrong, and they make some things right.

I hope so too.

I don't fully agree with your second point, as Disney was very careful in its own announcement not to criticise Splash Mountain or the fans. It was, rather, commentators on social media who started casting such aspersions.
 

Brer Oswald

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I hope so too.

I don't fully agree with your second point, as Disney was very careful in its own announcement not to criticise Splash Mountain or the fans. It was, rather, commentators on social media who started casting such aspersions.
I suppose your right, but they let that happen. They bumped up the announcement to capitalize on the outrage that was relatively small.
 

Donaldfan1934

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The whole issue that the mindset the Iger era ushered in is that the parks are only viewed as a way to advertise their films and boost revenue. They aren’t viewed as the standalone product they were conceived as.

The people that support these “modern” decisions don’t realize that they’re being exploited for money and publicity, or they do and they just don’t care. I used to be super excited for “modern” additions to the park. A few years ago, I started putting two and two together. Can’t fool me no more.
I’ve become increasingly critical over the past few years as well, but I still had a sense of optimism in there being an acceptable balance between old and new. That optimism has since been shaken by this decision. As far as I’m concerned, most “old” attractions attractions in the parks aren’t likely to be safe long term outside of TDR.
 

Tinkwings

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In the Parks
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Well there is that mishap they made with inserting Iago into the Tiki Room.....the mysterious fire....and restoring it to original minus a bit of timing...I was thrilled to be rid of that partial refurb.....;)
 
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