Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Wngo905

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Why risk catching or spreading the virus to travel between 2 hotspot areas?
Well, I will answer the second part of your question: Cause we are sure we don't have it;) We sit at home (in fact I have worked from home and kids have been home since March 17), walk (socially distant in the neighborhood), get our groceries picked up at front not venturing in the store, when we do shop for essentials we avoid crowds and keep 6 ft distance. Use hand sanitizer. But enough defending myself.
FL initially imposed a travel ban on NY/NJ//CT and LA only. They cherry picked those 4 states and banned them vs having a metric which would apply to any state. In the beginning of June the Governor extended that ban but I thought took LA off the list. NY/NJ/CT has their own travel ban on any state that over a 7 day period averages either > 10% percent positive or > 10 new cases a day for every 100K residents. Right now that travel ban includes FL and SC along with 14 other states. The list is updated weekly based on changing conditions. As far as I know those are the only travel restrictions.
Thanks GoofGoof. Your reply is matching what I am finding. He did take LA off the list in early June. As for me, I am happily avoiding NY, NJ, and CT;)


EDIT: I found a number for the Florida Dept of Health Covid line. Their announcement seems up to date and they do announce checks at the boarder of I-10 Alabama/Florida and I-95 Georgia/Florida looking for persons from NY/NJ/CT and LA who will be given a temp check and instructed to self quarantine.
 
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Chomama

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What about best face coverings for a day in Orlando summer? I'm thinking the light disposable masks or maybe something like this?
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It’s so tough. Finding a balance between comfortable and maximum protection. Just have to draw an arbitrary line somewhere, as seems to be the case with a lot of Covid decisions. Something like this is definitely better than a bandana, from how I ready the study.
 

Dizneykid

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Ironically, they say medical grade surgical masks are the most comfortable in heat and likely more effective than cloth masks but it's suppsedly more taboo to use them (even though I see a lot of people wearing them. No idea where they find them lol)
 

Dizneykid

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Agreed. I meant to say that's why it's so high. Less tests but not less virus. But it makes it looks like we've gone from 10k-5k.

Is there a reason why less tests is so bad? Why can't it be interpreted as less people being tested because less people needed to be? Sincerely curious.
 

kong1802

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Is there a reason why less tests is so bad? Why can't it be interpreted as less people being tested because less people needed to be? Sincerely curious.

I'd love to believe that, unfortunately in some places there are reports of very long lines and appointment times measured in weeks, not hours or days......
 

Angelo721

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Yeah! Go team opening during a resurgence of a pandemic against the advice of all public health officials and experts because we wanna work out and not listen to the government.

Only in America...
Your right. We should close everything.

Then we will be a nation of healthy people, all with no money, no jobs, no hope.

All because of a sickness that 80% of us get only MILD symptoms.

80% of us reading this now if we got full blown COVID will have the sniffles and a cough, that's it. Why are the needs of the few out way the needs of the many?

Lets think about the balance here. Open slow so we can al get back to work. Gyms open not just so I can bench press. So that the 30 people who work there can feed their families.
 

Dave Z

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i just want to weigh in, because i've checked in on this thread many, many times over the past few months, and almost always closed it quickly in frustration.

the biggest misstep that has been done stateside is how early and quickly it got politicized. i will lay all my cards out on the table for you and let you know i am a self-described progressive and did not/will not vote for the current president. i'm also a new yorker, so i live in the hardest-hit area in the country and have a different perspective than most.

i worry that the discourse in this country is so divided that one side wants to make covid a fairytale, while the other side wants to treat it like it's the black plague. the truth is obviously in the middle. where on the spectrum it is is something that settled science probably won't indicate for years.

so yeah, the positivity rate looks bleak in the south and southeast. but also, the median patient age and the average severity of illness are big factors, as are a host of others. whether i give you a five dollar bill or a hundred dollar bill, i've given you cash, but we can agree that there's a pretty big difference in what i've given you, right? i would also argue that we don't have the testing capability to find every case, based on 35-to-50% being asymptomatic. that does not mean we should scale down testing, but if you were asymptomatic in march (i very well could have been), how am i ever going to know? and no, antibody tests do not always instruct an answer (i personally know of several long island railroad workers that tested positive on a PCR test, waited three weeks, then tested negative for antibodies).

we've assumed a lot of group think operating under the guise of settled science, but truthfully, the science on this is very much unsettled. sure, i'm proud that new york has "flattened the curve," but there's also a very real chance that...we didn't, and the virus ran its course through our area affecting everyone it was going to infect, leaving the vulnerable with the worse outcomes. citing the diamond princess data, a 2013 nobel laureate, michael levitt, contends that the virus does not grow exponentially, instead, he says it infects 15-20% of a population before it burns out. the most accurate model, covid19-projections.com -- a machine-learning model that has been far better than the abysmal IHME and others -- predicts my county of residence at 17.2% infection, the county over from me at 21.8%, and NYC at 22.8%. that assumes infections at ~5-times higher than documented cases. in the last few weeks, we've had protests, outdoor dining for three weeks and indoor dining for one on long island (one week of outdoor dining in the city), and still a new positivity rate of ~1% for almost a month. so have we snuffed it out? or does the burnout theory have credence? we don't know yet, but we can't lump all voices that dissent into the honey-crusted nut bar category, because little we've heard from those that have influenced policy makers have borne out to be right.

that doesn't mean we should take life with covid lightly. we can probably agree that we need to agree how we can take common sense mitigation techniques while operating in society. to me, masks aren't a big deal, nor is keeping your distance from someone when possible and limiting (but not eliminating) your social circle. i also think that there are certain things we absolutely need to get back to. in my opinion, in-person school is at the top of that list.

apologies if this seems like a stream of consciousness, but i just feel like we can all do better to try to understand this thing at a deeper level, think critically, and try to leave red-team/blue-team at the door. there's nothing to say that i'm a progressive, so i am required to think i have to stay inside for three years. nor is there anything stopping my trump-supporting grandfather from wearing a mask when he goes out in public.

anyway, hoping for the best in all this. be cool to each other.
I live in upstate NY and we were barely hit all the cases we had were trace to NYC
 

GoofGoof

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Is there a reason why less tests is so bad? Why can't it be interpreted as less people being tested because less people needed to be? Sincerely curious.
If the number of cases was declining and the virus was slowing down or phasing out that would be true. With the number of cases steadily rising we need more testing not less to detect the virus earlier in asymptomatic carriers and have them quarantine to prevent further spread.
 

oceanbreeze77

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Is there a reason why less tests is so bad? Why can't it be interpreted as less people being tested because less people needed to be? Sincerely curious.
If the number of cases was declining and the virus was slowing down or phasing out that would be true. With the number of cases steadily rising we need more testing not less to detect the virus earlier in asymptomatic carriers and have them quarantine to prevent further spread.
Thats why the positivity rate is so important
 

GoofGoof

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Thanks GoofGoof. Your reply is matching what I am finding. He did take LA off the list in early June. As for me, I am happily avoiding NY, NJ, and CT;)


EDIT: I found a number for the Florida Dept of Health Covid line. Their announcement seems up to date and they do announce checks at the boarder of I-10 Alabama/Florida and I-95 Georgia/Florida looking for persons from NY/NJ/CT and LA who will be given a temp check and instructed to self quarantine.
You are good to go. I hope these travel bans all roll off pretty soon anyway. If cases improve everywhere they can all be lifted. I work in NJ so I know a few co-workers with trips planned in August for Hilton Head and Orlando. If the bans are still in place they will probably cancel because their kids would miss the first week of school on quarantine when they come home.
 

Dizneykid

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I live in upstate NY and we were barely hit all the cases we had were trace to NYC
Has it been determined that a majority of all cases and deaths were concentrated in NYC? Thinking about the idea of that is overwhelming because NY state is huge.
 

baymenxpac

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NYC is halting the reopening of indoor dining that was supposed to start on July 6th.


just want to tell you all that, in my opinion, this is nuts. here's the positive rates in NYC over time (from forward.ny.gov). june 29: 23,327 tested, 240 positive.

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i know some of you don't quite know the day-to-day nature of NYC, but the idea that you would be able to suppress any kind of virus there for an indefinite period of time is honestly one of the more naive things a politician or public health official has ever assumed. whether you think the virus just ran its course here already, or that we CRUSHED THE CURVE(!!!), the reality is the city has had 1% positive rate since june 15, 2% since june 3,and it's been since may 23 that they had a 5% rate. in a city of 8.5 million, on 6/29, there were 461 covid patients hospitalized, 120 of those in ICU. at the peak on 4/12, there we 12,184 COVID hospitalizations, 3,122 of which were in the ICU. hard not to see why people become frustrated when the goal posts are constantly moved.
 
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