Bleed0range
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I have a feeling the interior of the train locomotive is going to be real with some sort of projection inside of Goofy.
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I have a feeling the interior of the train locomotive is going to be real with some sort of projection inside of Goofy.
Brer Oswald
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I am deciding not to fully engage the resident Universal troll gracing our midst. But I need to definitively correct an assumption.
NRJ was always supposed to be a C-ticket. Plans leaked all the way back in 2012 called it a C-ticket (visible on this slice in the red section).
Of course many of us think it probably should have been more, but Disney (internally) knew what was what.
Wait, how can NRJ be a C ticket, it has such an amazing AA that speaks gibberish and does yoga!
So, once again, I ask what Dwarf Hill and even TRON are, ticket wise. Does enclosing a roller coaster automatically make it an E ticket, even if it is a low level Vekoma coaster base? It seems anything Disney builds now is an E ticket because they have bloated budgets.
Some honest folk on here are admitting Smuggler's Run is a D ticket with a REALLY expensive queue.
As for splitting rides, when there are such major differences, it is reasonable. Even Test Track. It is a VERY lame indoor section that on its own is a solid C ticket. The outside portion is praised for going 65 miles an hour. IMAGINE, going 65 miles an hour in a car!!!!!!
How do those two things possibly add up to an E ticket?
And I'd love to hear how a 4 minute movie you watch on an extremely gentle hang glider assembly equal an E ticket?
BrianLo
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The ticketing system was literally built on the back of the experience as a whole. You cannot break something into its individual parts when we are interpreting the whole. You weren't allowed to hop off an attraction mid way through and ask to swap your E-ticket for a D. You are captive for the whole experience you redeemed for.
NRJ has all the trappings of E-ticket set dressings and then it ends abruptly, that's the comparison. If NRJ continued on for another 5-10 minutes I think people would happily apply the E-ticket label. But it doesn't continue on, which is the only way your analogy has application. You can only evaluate what Disney did actually end up building.
To answer your question earnestly Tron is widely considered to be an E-ticket. One which fandom are disappointed has light E-ticket dressings, riding on the back of thrills and a short ride time. But yes, covering it in fancy lights and giving it a pulsating soundtrack improves it over an undressed naked coaster.
Smuggler's Run is an E-ticket and called such by Iger a few days ago. The experience exceeds Star Tours in its individual components and as a whole. Just because RoTR is the literal kitchen sink experience does not take away Smuggler's Run occupancy on the list and favourable comparators. The penultimate days before opening are just about the worst time for people to look at something objectively though.
SDMT is considered an E-ticket by Disney, by the public, but a D-ticket routinely by fandom here who were/are less swept up in the only 'major' attraction MK has debuted. For the same reason NRJ is still a C-ticket. An E-ticket version of SDMT existed on paper, but two show scenes and another coaster segment were cut.
And yes, thrills do in some small part make up for shorter ride times/dark ride segments. Journey to the Centre of the Earth is actually quite the short little dark ride if you are reductive. But we can't be reductive.
Likwise I can objectively call Gringott's an E-ticket, but think it's actually a pretty poorly executed ride. Ticketing is a weird and individualized convergence of scale/scope/thrill/popularity. BUT... not solely how 'good' a ride is.
You sort of lose me when you say Iger/Disney calls a ride an E ticket. Of course they are going to say that. I'd assume somewhere you can find a video of Rhode calling NRJ an E ticket.
I think as time has passed, E tickets at Disney deliver less on the ride side, and more on the queue side. Indy of course being the pinnacle E ticket. And as I said before, it is SUCH an E ticket, you can rip out the queue, and a ton of the theming, just making it pitch dark, and it's STILL an E ticket.
If Space Mountain were built today, as it stands, no way would it be considered an E ticket. When I waited hours to ride it in the 70s, yeah, it was beyond amazing. Not so much today. Of course, same goes for Jungle Cruise.
I simply don't get the TRON praise. I was so hoping they would fix the theming in the US, but all signs point to another TRON ride devoid of TRON set dressings. Most Vekoma motorbike coasters are considered very middle of the road. I don't see how putting half of it in a building makes it an E ticket. Especially since during the day, your eyes are so blinded outside, they never even have time to adjust inside before the ride through the non TRON theming is over.
Was there ever REALLY a longer version of SDMT in development? I saw the obviously fake one that would have tunneled well into the swamp. But it seemed very fake, and simply wishful thinking.
yensidtlaw1969
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Minor quibble - Seven Dwarfs Mine Train is regarded internally as a D-Ticket. There was never any intention to build an E-Ticket attraction with New Fantasyland, even when Mine Train had more to it.
Flight of Passage wasn't even meant to be an E-Ticket within Pandora . . . it was to a high-ranking D-Ticket alongside the E-Ticket Motorbike Coaster, which was cancelled. Though I do wonder if resources were allocated to bump up FoP once the coaster was cut, seeing that it would then be serving as the land's headliner - I don't know what happened there, just that the ride was conceived as a D.
I say this at the risk of opening a can of worms . . . which I hope doesn't happen.
Answer this: have you been to Shanghai Disneyland? Simple answer. Yes or no. Don’t talk around it.
Well, I for one agree FoP is a D ticket. It's a movie on a moving base. Yeah, it's a big screen. But so is my local IMAX.
If Dwarf Hill did have two more dark ride rooms, and more track, it would border on E, if those rooms were as detailed.
Not sure how it's opening a can of worms just because it gives my "lunatic" posts some "proof" to back them up.
Nope. I've yet to visit HK Or Shanghai. But that sure doesn't mean I can't judge the TRON coaster from the layout, videos, and knowledge of Vekoma motorbike coasters. I have seen both TRON movies, I really doubt the Imagineers did. I think they bought the Soundtrack, saw the Light Cycle at the Comicon Flynn's Arcade, and thought they could make a TRON RIDE.
Is RnRC an E ticket? It's literally a clone of a VERY poorly rated coaster that is uncovered. So, is putting a poorly rated coaster inside, adding unsynchronized music to it, some flashing lights, and plywood cutouts the secret recipe to an E ticket? if Kings Dominion and Island were to fill their Flight of Fear buildings with alien cutouts, and add the Mars Attacks soundtrack, I'm pretty sure absolutely NO ONE would say they've built Disney E ticket quality coasters.
What parks have you been to, since we're comparing notes?
yensidtlaw1969
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The can of worms is unrelated to you. There have been some long, drawn out, painful arguments on this board about the ticket status of the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train.
No Name
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Wow it just occurred to me that y'all haven't had one of those massive yet fruitless E-ticket debates for a long while.
Let's not even pretend that looks anything like the new animation. Just look at the two pictures... one goofy looks like he just came out of a sewer high and doesn't really give a about life, the other is far closer in appearance and attitude to the goofy we see in the parks today. Which you like better is up to you, but the new goofy is distinctly different than just about anything produced in the past.
Let's not even pretend that looks anything like the new animation. Just look at the two pictures... one goofy looks like he just came out of a sewer high and doesn't really give a about life, the other is far closer in appearance and attitude to the goofy we see in the parks today. Which you like better is up to you, but the new goofy is distinctly different than just about anything produced in the past.
Markiewong
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Jumping in here, Xpress at Walibi is a clone from Rock and Rollercoaster, not the other way around.
Also you can not rate a rollercoaster without having been on it, the experience is completly different.
It helps to know the history of E-Tickets, what they were originally used for and what they came to be used for...
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A-E TICKET ATTRACTIONS
Hello all, It's been a while since I have been on the forums. But I have a question for anyone, I'm trying to find a list or what I can find about what attractions are under what tickets (A-E)? Also I'm only looking at attractions in the magic kingdom, and all attractions new and old...
No sir. You don't need to know the history or even have experienced the rides previously and currently labelled as E-tickets. You don't even need to visit the parks themselves. Just Youtube the ride and hey presto you are an instant expert on the whole thing .It helps to know the history of E-Tickets, what they were originally used for and what they came to be used for...
A-E TICKET ATTRACTIONS
Hello all, It's been a while since I have been on the forums. But I have a question for anyone, I'm trying to find a list or what I can find about what attractions are under what tickets (A-E)? Also I'm only looking at attractions in the magic kingdom, and all attractions new and old...
DeletedAccount55555
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I don't want to burst anyone's bubble, but it's hard to imagine a more useless discussion than debating how a ticket system that's been extinct for nearly 40 years would apply to current theme park rides. There's no way to prove your argument.
Disney Analyst
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My favourite thing is to remind everyone that The Pack Mules were an E-Ticket.
ToTBellHop
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Yes but while the original use of the System is gone, its nomenclature is, if anything, used more widely than ever in the industry-at-large. The fact that it is subjective makes it all the better for a discussion forum. At least it’s not a discussion of monorail expansion, strollers for 12-year-olds, or people smoking on rides before experiencing dracarys on gondolas.
Brer Oswald
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kap91
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Flight of Passage's ride film is 10k at 60FPS. It also uses the latest generation laser projectors which allow for perfect black levels and much brighter highlights than traditional projectors, increasing the overall contrast, which increases color depth, which increases perceived resolution. In short it's a hell of lot better quality than IMAX 70mm.
It's also not entirely accurate to say that human eyes can't perceive the difference between 2k and 4k. On a traditional movie screen (and certainly on a home TV) that's absolutely true, but at the scale of the projections in FOP or any large format theatre. You'd definitely notice. Same for 8k. Above that it's hard to say - but I imagine the non-standard 10k resolution was chosen based on specific reasons and tests.
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