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Star Wars Land announced for Disney's Hollywood Studios
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Kman101
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I'm going to imagine the food will definitely be better, but then again, lol, who knows.
Rex could either be charming or totally annoying. It's nice they included him though (and I knew they were but I'm just talking about it because it's "news" again).
im going summer of 2020
i also think having one of these in disneyland really will help
Timothy_Q
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The names sure matter.
Exactly for the reasons you listed.
If you give rides and lands good, short and intuitive names, you’re able to make the official name become the standard.
Splash Mountain, Haunted Mansion, Tomorrowland, Flight of Passage
While if you give them names with 6 words, dashes and punctuation, guests will come up with their own shorter names, proving Disney failed in their marketing.
The Little Mermaid: Ariel's Undersea Adventure, Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge, Big Grizzly Mountain Runaway Mine Cars
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nickys
Premium Member
To some extent.
But Pandora really hasn’t taken off as name, typically Avatar Land is used. And certainly amongst the public rather than members on Disney forums, Flight of Passage is known as ‘the Avatar ride’.
There again, we (as in forum posters) tend to use acronyms a lot of the time.
Common mix-ups I’ve seen are where they have the same IP in two parks:
FEA vs the Frozen show
Under the Sea vs The Voyage of the Little Mermaid show (and even Nemo)
TSMM and Buzz
Nemo ride vs Finding Nemo show
But also:
7dmt vs BTMRR
FoP and ROL - I don’t get that one, but I guess both have an ‘of’ in their name .....!
Timothy_Q
Well-Known Member
This has nothing to do with naming.
You're just listing movies that have presence in 2 parks
nickys
Premium Member
Most mix ups happen when names are not short and sweet. If they’d thought more carefully about the names the mix-ups wouldn’t happen, or not as often.
Timothy_Q
Well-Known Member
Naming rides with short names is exactly the point I made on my original post.
Why did you disagree with it if you're saying the same thing now?
nickys
Premium Member
The Pandora name hasn’t worked, that was my disagreement.
The rest was agreeing with you!
Timothy_Q
Well-Known Member
Pandora is called "Pandora - The World of Avatar"
It should've been called just Pandora
Disneyland's Star Wars Land, Galaxy Edge, in Black Spire Outpost of Batuu's Cantina Bar and Quick Service Restaurant, and Walt Disney Worlds's Star Wars Land, Galaxy Edge, in Black Spire Outpost of Batuu's Cantina Bar and Quick Service Restaurant... of Og.
nickys
Premium Member
Agreed. But it’s usually referred to as just Avatar Land, probably because no one knows or can remember (or even cares about) the name of the planet in the movie. So Pandora doesn’t mean anything to them anyway.
Actually most people probably think of the jewellers rather than Avatar when given the name Pandora.
Timothy_Q
Well-Known Member
People's relationship with the movie is irrelevant.
The names of Disneyland lands didn't exist before they were created, so nobody had any prior connection to those names either.
And they still work, because they're simple one word titles
Having "The World of Avatar" in the title just further removes the power of "Pandora" as a name
TJJohn12
Well-Known Member
*Technically* the names of the lands and their public usage predate Disneyland Park. They were in use in the Disneyland television show before the park was built (to very good purpose - Davy Crockett being the runaway hit of the Frontierland episodes).
I’d wager, too, that in 1955 when the park opened that kids wanted to visit “Davy Crocket Land” rather than Frontierland. Lexicography changes over time.
sedati
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Don't think this has been posted here, but there's a rumor that John Williams may actually be writing new compositions for the land along with Michael Giacchino:
https://makingstarwars.net/2018/08/...-music-and-themes-for-star-wars-galaxys-edge/
https://makingstarwars.net/2018/08/...-music-and-themes-for-star-wars-galaxys-edge/
Timothy_Q
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And what about Space Mountain, Splash Mountain, Big Thunder Mountain, Haunted Mansion, Pirates of the Caribbean, Country Bears, Small World, Jungle Cruise, Tiki Room?
Nobody had any previous connection to those names before they opened.
Pretty sure the names stuck because they’re simple, intuitive, descriptive titles
TJJohn12
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You’re mostly right - and your point is a good one. But there’s a few names there in your list that have been shortened quite a bit.
Big Thunder Mountain should include “Railroad,” but most people I chat with call it “Big Thunder” colloquially and drop the mountain altogether.
“Country Bears” is actually called “The Country Bear Jamboree,” again with guest usage eliminating the mode of delivery and just shortening to the character names - see “Dumbo.”
“Small World” is also not called that on park maps - it’s “It’s a Small World.”
The biggest shortening has actually been officialized when the attraction was reborn. The “Tropical Serenade” was the official name of the show starring animatronic birds in Adventureland - when it came back from “new management” it was now named what guests always called it: “[Walt Disney’s Enchanted] Tiki Room.”
I guess what I’m saying is that “Batuu” is as intuitive as “Star Wars Land” or “Galaxy’s Edge” is - this will all turn on social convention in the end as it always has. But Disney can do their best (as Walt did in 1954) to prime the pump from a linguistic standpoint. And we can do our best to try to reinforce what we’d like to stick. Hell, I still call it MGM...
Also, FWIW, I don’t think “Toy Story Land” should have been called that. It’s “Andy’s Backyard” that they built... the only parks that should have “lands” are castle parks. We don’t have “Africaland” nor should we. But I’m also a stodgy historian and purist...
Timothy_Q
Well-Known Member
Which is further proof that rides should have short intuitive names, otherwise guests won't use them.
My point to begin with
If you've yet to visit Pandora, "Avatar Land" is likely the third Pandora you think of, following the Jewelry and the music streaming service. In this case, I think the world of Avatar part was necessary, at least for marketing purposes and name recognition.