Time to Replace PotC at MK

Hayley In Wonderland

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Here's a crazy idea. It may seem RIDICULOUS and so far fetched but I thought I better share it...

Okay, here goes...

If you don't like the ride changes - don't ride it anymore. Rather than starting a tragic forum saying DISNEY SHOULD REMOVE POTC I DONT LIKE IT, just stop going on it. It won't make any difference to you if the ride is there or not if you just don't go on it.

I know - mental, right?
 

EricsBiscuit

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Original Poster
I know you’re trying to make a point here, but it seems like you may have overstated a bit.

The reason the story was changed was that society has changed significantly since the ride was created. When it comes to storytelling, the audience is the most important ingredient. A story that connects with one audience will probably need to be retold/reimagined in order to connect with another audience.

Old Westerns used to be “cowboys vs. Indians” affairs. Now, people are much more sensitive to how Native Americans are depicted (and how negative depictions have negatively impacted that community). Now the Old West story is being retold in order to connect with a new audience; heroes and villains are much more complex. Native Americans and White Hats are shown as “good guys” and “bad guys.” This is not trying to change history, it’s telling a better story.

With Pirates, its the same thing. All the changes to the ride make the story make sense to an audience who may not automatically identify with the Plunderers, Interrogator, and Auctioneer (because they themselves have been plundered, interrogated, and auctioned off). When all audiences see themselves in both the heroes and the villains, the story is made better.
Except this change is just flat out stupid. They are auctioning chickens off to PIRATES and in the next scene with the map and all there are like 8 chickens standing there ready to be taken. Also the execution of this stupid idea is terrible. The voice acting and dialogue are atrocious.
Adding in Jack Sparrow seems like it helped imagineers tell a richer story (Jack’s personality, history, and character have been fleshed out over the course of 5 movies now) than they could with characters that have no backstory. I’m not a huge fan of how they added him in, but to me, it seems like a very good opportunity to connect with the audience and tell a richer story that extended beyond the ride.
No it ruined the story. The story didn't need to be "rich" to be great. PotC was an amazing attraction until they shoehorned in IP to sell merch.
Here's a crazy idea. It may seem RIDICULOUS and so far fetched but I thought I better share it...

Okay, here goes...

If you don't like the ride changes - don't ride it anymore. Rather than starting a tragic forum saying DISNEY SHOULD REMOVE POTC I DONT LIKE IT, just stop going on it. It won't make any difference to you if the ride is there or not if you just don't go on it.

I know - mental, right?
So if I don't like something I should just shut up and submit? Pathetic!
 

Hayley In Wonderland

Well-Known Member
So if I don't like something I should just shut up and submit? Pathetic!

I never said once to shut up - I simply said making a post saying an entire ride which is well loved should be shut down because you, one singular person, aren't happy with how much it's changed, is ridiculous.

If you really dislike the changes that much, then don't ride it. It's that simple. No amount of writing on here is going to change anything. WDW is a theme park, which has to constantly evolve and change. It's not a history museum nor does it have to be historically accurate. Not to mention that if things were left the same they would become worn and old. A fresh change brings in new audiences. If you REALLY want Disney to remove an iconic, original ride (which is not going to happen in the near future, not matter how angry YOU are) then it will make no difference to you if you don't ride it anymore.

Hey, it will be almost like it doesn't exist!
 

EricsBiscuit

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
I never said once to shut up - I simply said making a post saying an entire ride which is well loved should be shut down because you, one singular person, aren't happy with how much it's changed, is ridiculous.

If you really dislike the changes that much, then don't ride it. It's that simple. No amount of writing on here is going to change anything. WDW is a theme park, which has to constantly evolve and change. It's not a history museum nor does it have to be historically accurate. Not to mention that if things were left the same they would become worn and old. A fresh change brings in new audiences. If you REALLY want Disney to remove an iconic, original ride (which is not going to happen in the near future, not matter how angry YOU are) then it will make no difference to you if you don't ride it anymore.

Hey, it will be almost like it doesn't exist!
You could argue that it's well lived but I think people only like it because they haven't experienced it pre Jack. All I'm saying is that the new change is terrible. We already have the worse PotC in the world (literally, all the others are wayyyy better). So I think it's time that the busiest theme park on earth gets the best version.
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
You could argue that it's well lived but I think people only like it because they haven't experienced it pre Jack. All I'm saying is that the new change is terrible. We already have the worse PotC in the world (literally, all the others are wayyyy better). So I think it's time that the busiest theme park on earth gets the best version.
If you need the PotC at WDW to be the best in the world, I am afraid you are setting yourself up for disappointment.

PotC at WDW was an afterthought and had to be shortened and shoehorned into is location. The only way it will ever be significantly longer or better is if the started over from dirt ,relocated the railway and reconfigure part of the backstage area.

The chances of that happening to an attraction that runs at capacity 24/7/365 is as statistically close to zero as you can get.
 

Goofyernmost

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Except this change is just flat out stupid. They are auctioning chickens off to PIRATES and in the next scene with the map and all there are like 8 chickens standing there ready to be taken. Also the execution of this stupid idea is terrible. The voice acting and dialogue are atrocious.

No it ruined the story. The story didn't need to be "rich" to be great. PotC was an amazing attraction until they shoehorned in IP to sell merch.

So if I don't like something I should just shut up and submit? Pathetic!
Of course you don't have to just shut up and submit. You said what you wanted to say and we all heard it, it's just that many do not agree with it. Are we supposed to just shut up and submit or can our opinions be valid as well as yours. The real thing, especially with this thread is the title which basically says... I don't like it, it's time to tear it down.

The degree that people take a simple theme park ride to such extremes is obviously indicative of the 1st world problems that we find ourselves growing ulcers over. The fact that it is something that can be avoided if one doesn't like the attraction is why it always ends up with "if you don't like it.... don't go". Not because it seems to be caustic, but, because it is the truth. I don't like the Treehouse so I walk right by it. However, creating a situation that projects that it is something that should be ended because 'I don't like it' just seems a little overboard considering the topics within a fantasy theme park.
 
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Hayley In Wonderland

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You could argue that it's well lived but I think people only like it because they haven't experienced it pre Jack. All I'm saying is that the new change is terrible. We already have the worse PotC in the world (literally, all the others are wayyyy better). So I think it's time that the busiest theme park on earth gets the best version.
You didn't just say the new change is "terrible". The whole point of this thread was for you to demand Disney remove the ride because you don't like it, and now you've noticed that not a lot of people actually don't agree with you or your opinion for Disney to replace PoTC.

A lot of people I know who have never visited a Disney Park were surprised when I told them that it only just added Jack. You have you remember that most people my age (I'm a millennial) grew up and only know Pirates as Jack Sparrow. No offence, but we are not old enough to remember "the good old days" and frankly don't really care what the ride was like in it's "prime". My biggest issue with these forums is so many people being so opposed to change and so ignorant towards it.

Things change, whether you like it or not. You are one fan who has one opinion that some people agree with, and some people don't. At the end of the day, Disney have spent the money on this scene and they are happy with it, and so are some other fans. No amount of angry thread making is going to change that.
 

EricsBiscuit

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Original Poster
You didn't just say the new change is "terrible". The whole point of this thread was for you to demand Disney remove the ride because you don't like it, and now you've noticed that not a lot of people actually don't agree with you or your opinion for Disney to replace PoTC.

A lot of people I know who have never visited a Disney Park were surprised when I told them that it only just added Jack. You have you remember that most people my age (I'm a millennial) grew up and only know Pirates as Jack Sparrow. No offence, but we are not old enough to remember "the good old days" and frankly don't really care what the ride was like in it's "prime". My biggest issue with these forums is so many people being so opposed to change and so ignorant towards it.

Things change, whether you like it or not. You are one fan who has one opinion that some people agree with, and some people don't. At the end of the day, Disney have spent the money on this scene and they are happy with it, and so are some other fans. No amount of angry thread making is going to change that.
I'm only opposed to change if it's not done right. And the changes at PotC are terrible and I still think drastic change is needed at MK's.
 

eliza61nyc

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I sure wish my biggest worry in life was a park ride closing... :facepalm:
+1
lol, since hanging out here I've come to the conclusion that I am not a true wdw fan. I'm not having a meltdown over the GMR closing, or whether or not too much IP is being injected into the parks (which kind of amazes me that people are amazed. lol who's stuff should they hawk if not their own) or worrying because the voice of an attraction has changed. The truth is I couldn't tell you what any of the animontronics sounded like if the prize was a life time of free trips.
 

eliza61nyc

Well-Known Member
I'm only opposed to change if it's not done right. And the changes at PotC are terrible and I still think drastic change is needed at MK's.
but here's the thing and I'm trying not to be snarky.
Who are you to decide if the change is "done" right?? now I've got to horse in this race because I think it's way overblown but I love the POTC. I enjoyed the Jack sparrow character and I enjoyed seeing him at the end of the ride. My kids recognized him immediately.

So why is one perception worth more than any other?
 

EricsBiscuit

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Original Poster
but here's the thing and I'm trying not to be snarky.
Who are you to decide if the change is "done" right?? now I've got to horse in this race because I think it's way overblown but I love the POTC. I enjoyed the Jack sparrow character and I enjoyed seeing him at the end of the ride. My kids recognized him immediately.

So why is one perception worth more than any other?
I never said my opinion is worth more than any other. Just because my view is more extreme and I'm actually willing to say it doesn't mean that I think my opinion is worth more. Also, it's my opinion if a change is done right or not. My criteria is if it does justice to the original. It doesn't. I have no idea what you mean by who am I to decide if it's done right. Everyone has opinions on changes, no?
 

eliza61nyc

Well-Known Member
I never said my opinion is worth more than any other. Just because my view is more extreme and I'm actually willing to say it doesn't mean that I think my opinion is worth more. Also, it's my opinion if a change is done right or not. My criteria is if it does justice to the original. It doesn't. I have no idea what you mean by who am I to decide if it's done right. Everyone has opinions on changes, no?

Thanks, the first post sounded as if you maybe had some inside information on what the changes were supposed to be. I guess it was the "I'm opposed to change if it's not done right" and I was trying to figure out how you knew whether it was done right or not. It sounded like there was a plan and it wasn't done correctly.

Again I have no real passion either way, I still enjoy it and think Jack at the end was a great addition.

So what's the problem with Jack sparrow at the end? I mean he is probably the most recognizable character of PoTC seems like a pretty logical addition or is it the "nostalgia" thing?
 
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retr0gate

Well-Known Member
I was initially wary of the new scene when it was first announced, but the actual result wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. You can't deny that the redhead is an impressive AA and brings new life to the scene. that being said, my biggest complaint with the scene is the new dialogue. I don't think "a hen for a 10" is going to stick with anyone, and the new voice actors sound like they just grabbed a random person off the street, asked them to do their best pirate impression and recorded it. I can definitely see this scene getting another redo dialogue wise sometime in the future.
 

Hayley In Wonderland

Well-Known Member
I'm only opposed to change if it's not done right. And the changes at PotC are terrible and I still think drastic change is needed at MK's.
But the changes are actually quite minor compared to a lot of other rides being updated. They changed one scene and added a couple of Jack Sparrow AAs. The old auction scene was looking a little worse for wear, the AAs were very old and just was not up to date, especially with the new Jack Sparrow AAs. I am sure that eventually most AAs will be replaced in the ride with newer ones.

You might not deem the changes as well done, but a lot of other people do and welcome the changes. As previously mentioned, just don't go on it. Take a trip to DLP and ride the Pirates there, however there is a language barrier as it is all in french :)
 

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