bclane
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True. There's religious imagery to be found at several of the pavilions. Mickey is pretty inclusive.
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Rumor Brazil is the frontrunner for a new World Showcase Pavilion
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Sirwalterraleigh
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I call it a limited show that features no Iconography
Sirwalterraleigh
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Such as?
I would say the best cases are morocco or Japan...but not exaclty as out there as a statue of jesus
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ProfSavage
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In China, you have the Temple of Heaven. In Italy, there's the reproduction of Columns of San Marco and San Todaro. In Germany, there's a statue of St. George and the Dragon.
ProfSavage
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Oh and the Stave Church in Norway
Sirwalterraleigh
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We'll just have different opinions on this...on multiple levels...
Don't think a big statue of Jesus is the way to go...nothing to gain.
bclane
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Other than Morocco and Japan, there is the Stave Church in Norway, Statue of St George and the Dragon in Germany, China's Temple of Heaven, St. Mark's Basilica bell tower in Italy, gargoyles in France...and you can't much more Christian than the Candlelight Processional.
ProfSavage
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That... that isn't opinion. Those are religious symbols found in other countries and faiths...
It doesn't matter, Christ the Redeemer isn't happening anyway. And not because it's religious. Again, it's copyrighted. It's why there's a statue but not Christ the Redeemer on Sugarloaf in the background of the Rio level in Street Fighter II.
ProfSavage
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And probably a fleur-de-lis somewhere in France, which is a religious symbol (represents the trinity) and if you want to get super technical, the Union Jack...
I find it odd that the statue can't be recreated. One would think it's likeness could, if not an exact copy something that resembles it. I'm positive Disney "can" craft a variation of this statue while still circumnavigating any choppy trademark rules. by making A "Christ the Redeemer" like statue where it's likeness is only visible from behind, or in side profile, etc. This statue is as iconic as Lady Liberty is to the US. It's exclusion from the Brazil pavilion would be absurd, IMO. It was in the movie Rio for Christ's sake! lol
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bclane
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True. Do the totems in Canada count?
ProfSavage
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Take it up with the Archdioceses of Rio. I'm sure they give special permission to use the likeness occasionally but still. I don't see the exclusion as being detrimental. It can create a "learning opportunity" that will let people learn more about Brazil. Kind of like the tropicalia movement in the 60s and 70s did.
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ProfSavage
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Sure! Why not? haha oh and of course, you have the mosque in Morocco but also the crescent and star strewn about.... and you know, the whole Aztec temple thing in Mexico. Really, there's an example in every pavilion but the American...
Sirwalterraleigh
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So there's no difference between overt and things that most western audiences in wdw have No Clue even exist...as in they'd have to google it to even know if carried any religious history?
Got it. I agree...it's not happening anyway
Got it. I agree...it's not happening anyway
ProfSavage
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I'm pretty sure Westerners would know the the religious association with a statue of a saint, even if they don't know the significance behind said saint. Hell, I was raised Catholic and can't tell you the reason why every saint is significant. I feel a Westerner would see a statue of a bodhisattva and feel the same: they know it's a religious iconography even if they don't understand the relevance.
But I get it. You're whole schtick on these boards is to be a contrarian. I got that from "The Last Jedi" boards. It's okay. We've had your likes in these parts before.
lazyboy97o
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The train display is a display of German model trains.
Sirwalterraleigh
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You mean the last jedi that flatlined at the box office and the director is still...today...defending parts of the movie in twitter battles?
Funny how things turn out, huh?
And I think you saying a gigantic statue of Jesus over a pavilion is the same as column replicas in Italy (funny how they used Venetian landmarks instead of those in Rome, isn't?)...or an architectural history of Notre dame with a fleur de lis in a queue...or some saints that I guarantee no one has a clue about in the German courtyard...defies reason.
Sometimes things are in fact different...it's not that tough to know when.
And I don't have a "type"...becuse that's just silly. I'll agree or disagree depending on the historical perspective, business motivations, or appropriateness of the arguments presented. That fair...breaking news.
Let's just see what's built, huh? Then we can chat about details...
By the way...the walt disney company has rejected stereotypes and prejudices more than practically any American business over the last 50 years...because it's good for business. Money is all green. So my stance on this has nothing to do with copyright laws. It's simply looking at it objectively, knowing who you're dealing with, and making an argument. In this case - still a purely theoretical one, in fact.
Or you can travel. Or even meet people of different faiths in your own country. Or get a decent education.
Sirwalterraleigh
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It turns out that a German priest once actually rode a train in Germany...therefore it is a religious symbol and can't be moved by Vatican decree.
In fact...they will be putting a holy water container out front in May...
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Sirwalterraleigh
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...or understand how disney operates...like avoiding things that reinforce prejudices as much as possible. But that's just their history...pay it no mind.
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